Rock&Roll Surveys, the best influential Groups or Singers?? - Page 2

KFC911 · 11-04-2018, 01:18 PM

^^^ I did a fair amount of dat recording, and mastering live shows to cds from my hippie jam band daze...probabably have a few of mine on archive.org too....an awesome repository for years now.

KFC911 · 11-04-2018, 01:23 PM

I just bounced over to archive.org....first time in over a decade....I don't recognize the place anymore

Ziggythecat · 11-04-2018, 01:31 PM

It was awesome, but difficult to navigate.

These aps make it easy to find bands by years, and venues.
If you know what bands and where you taped, you can see if you are there, as most shows have several sources.
There are many, many soundboard recordings .
New stuff pops up often within a day or so of the shows.

KFC911 · 11-04-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

It was awesome, but difficult to navigate.

These aps make it easy to find bands by years, and venues.
If you know what bands and where you taped, you can see if you are there, as most shows have several sources.
There are many, many soundboard recordings .

I never actually uploaded to archive myself....shows I taped (mastered to cd) back in the day were though. Unless a totally seperate soundboard is used for recordings (a la the Dead's Betty (Cantor) board tapes, they typically don't compare to great microphone recordings imo. The Dead tapers totally changed the "live music" experience...at home

I really NEED to bring my "wall of sound" back to life....or something

Ziggythecat · 01:57 PM

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I never actually uploaded to archive myself....shows I taped (mastered to cd) back in the day were though. Unless a totally seperate soundboard is used for recordings (a la the Dead's Betty (Cantor) board tapes, they typically don't compare to great microphone recordings imo. The Dead tapers totally changed the "live music" experience...at home

I really NEED to bring my "wall of sound" back to life....or something

Evidently business schools hold up the Dead as innovators in their business model of giving away the music, to help build their fan base.

A band beyond distinction.
Certainly innovators and influencers, in keeping with the topic.

Ziggythecat · 11-04-2018, 02:01 PM

I look at these aps as truly modern miracles of our time.
Being able to chill anywhere in the world, and listen to a perfect soundboard recording of a show 40 years ago, or 5 days ago, from my phone, is the most enjoyable use of technology I can think of.

jcommin · jcommin's Garage

All of us gravitate to music we grew up on as adolescents and early teens. That is just a fact. I consider myself lucky to be born in the time of the early days of R/R and the British invasion. The music of the the 60's and early 70's are pinnacle to me. I abandoned pop music in the 80s. I moved to jazz and blues. I have my favs present day music - but it doesn't match the creativity of the music of the generation I speak of. Perhaps I'm old school - some music is just timeless and that goes well beyond music before me.

tabs · 11-04-2018, 07:58 PM

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I grew up in the 50's and 60's. I have my own issues with those who are in the Rock/Roll hall of fame. Some, IMO, are not deserving. Music changed with the advent of MTV. Medicare groups achieved success not because of their music but their videos. all I remember was "did you see the video" Some achieved legendary success posthumously. I like Janis Joplin - certainly a member of the 27 club - her legacy consist of a small portfolio. I remember with Big Brother and the Holding Company. Pearl is an outstanding album - but a game changer, I'm not so sure.

Amy Winehouse is another artist I just don't get. I'm probably going to piss a few people off, but other than the notoriety of being a member of the 27 club - she does nothing for me.

And there is Buddy Guy - I don't care what is popular and that is no measure of great music, he is awesome. But there are many Chicago Blues legends. Coco Taylor comes to mind. Then I'm from Chicago and I love the blues.
While I'm on a rant, I hate Paul McCarthy and Wings - nothing creative after the Beatles broke up.

Have any of you heard Joe Bonamassa?

The only thing he did was yesterday.

Ziggythecat · 11-04-2018, 08:24 PM

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

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Evidently business schools hold up the Dead as innovators in their business model of giving away the music, to help build their fan base.

A band beyond distinction.
Certainly innovators and influencers, in keeping with the topic.

Roger MacNamee is a big name in Silicon Valley, a big name in tech stocks and has a band based on The Dead. I've seen them a few times, a must see band. Jack Casssidy and G.E.Smith played with them both times I saw them.
http://www.moonalice.com/band

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

Groups? : Kinks, Who, Stones, Byrds, Zepplin.

Singers?: Dylan, Joplin, Paul Rodgers, Jeff Buckley, Freddy Mercury, Pete Townshend, Grace Slick, Joan Armatrading, Joe Walsh.

KFC911 · 03:04 AM

Most influential in my lifetime? Groups are easy to pick imo: Beatles & Stones....all the rest can just get in line behind them

Solo: Chuck Berry needs a mention...

"...all Chuck's children are playing his licks..." ....or something like that

sammyg2 · 11-05-2018, 06:58 AM

I don't recall the quarrymen, Beatles, or the Stones covering any of buddy guy's music.

ossiblue · 07:36 AM

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Read these all the time.
Just to see how my favorite band or singer stacks up? Been Rockin'&Rollin' for over 50 years. Read 2 today "Best American Bands" and "Best Female Rock Singers"

The 2nd was very disappointing! Not a mention of Carol King, Joni Michael and the best ever as far as I'm concerned Janis Joplin. She gave it all! What a performer. Sang with here heart and such emotion, sad she died at a young age. Is she on some sort of Black List? Need input!

Please before any comments watch these Please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5If816MhoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NuZxUxHN0o

This thread is a bit confusing. The title mentions "influential," but the text you posted only states "Best" without any qualifiers. Just to get this thread back on track could you post a link to the site for the lists you mention? You mention, "Best Female Rock Singers," not most influential. Same with the bands. Naturally, the thread discussion which follows moves into the influential category to help establish some criterion for a decision. Without knowing the criteria for the original lists mentioned, we don't know why Janis was not included. So, which is it, most influential as stated in your title, or "Best" as stated in the post?

The link to the videos are only of performances, not links to the lists.

sammyg2 · 11-05-2018, 07:50 AM

Ironically Buddy holly was much bigger in the UK than in the US, and nearly all of the British invasion could be traced back directly to him.

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To call someone who died at 22 "the father of rock" is not as fanciful as it seems. As a songwriter, performer and musician, Holly is the progenitor of virtually every world-class talent to emerge in the Sixties and Seventies. The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Byrds, Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend and Bruce Springsteen all freely admit they began to play only after Buddy taught them how. Though normal-sighted as a teenager, Elton John donned spectacles in imitation of the famous Holly horn-rims and ruined his eyesight as a result.

Holly's voice is the most imitated, and inimitable, in rock. Hundreds of singers have borrowed its eccentric pronunciation and phrasing. None (except perhaps John Lennon) has exactly caught the curious luster of its tone, its erratic swings from dark to light, from exuberant snarl to tender sigh, nor brought off the "Holly hiccough" which could fracture even the word "well" into eight syllables.

Unlike Presley and other guitar-toting idols of the mid-Fifties, Holly was a gifted instrumentalist who had grown up playing country music in his native West Texas. His playing style became as influential as his voice – the moody drama he could conjure from a shifting sequence of four basic chords, his incisive downstrokes and echoey descants. The deification of the rock guitarist, the sex appeal of the solid-body guitar, the glamour of the Fender brand: all were set in train by Buddy and his sunburst Strat.

Pop music has become an endless recycling, each new generation believing they are the first to discover its repertoire of "cool" and limited palette of sentiments and chords. In the genes of almost every band, Buddy Holly has been there, either by conscious assimilation or via his disciples. "Listen to any new release," says Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones, whose first killer riff was on the 1964 cover of Not Fade Away. "Buddy will be in it somewhere. His stuff just works."

Holly's time on the world stage was pitifully short, lasting only from September 1957, when That'll Be The Day became an international hit, to February 3, 1959, when he and two fellow performers, Ritchie Valens and J P "The Big Bopper" Richardson, fatally decided to fly from Clear Lake, Iowa, to Fargo, North Dakota, to avoid a freezing night on a tour bus. The crash of their chartered aircraft into a snowy stubble-field has become rock's most famous tragedy, enshrined by Don McLean's American Pie as ''the day the music died''.

In 16 crowded months, Holly had created a blueprint for enlightened rock stardom that every newcomer with any pretense at self-respect still aspires to follow. He was the first rock 'n' roller both talented and strong-minded enough to insist on the artistic control his musical heirs now take for granted. He was the first not only to write his own songs but also to arrange them, directing his backup musicians to his own exacting standards. He was the first to understand and experiment with studio technology, achieving effects with echo, double-tracking and overdubbing on primitive Ampex recorders which have never been bettered.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandjazzmusic/4402149/Why-Buddy-Holly-will-never-fade-away.html

jcommin · jcommin's Garage

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I don't recall the quarrymen, Beatles, or the Stones covering any of buddy guy's music.

The Stones have played with him in Chicago.

KFC911 · 11-05-2018, 08:52 AM

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I don't recall the quarrymen, Beatles, or the Stones covering any of buddy guy's music.

You don't think Jimi was influenced by Buddy Guy's playing style....like a lot of other slingers?
Don't have to "cover" a single song for that to happen...

sammyg2 · 11-05-2018, 11:41 AM

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You don't think Jimi was influenced by Buddy Guy's playing style....like a lot of other slingers?
Don't have to "cover" a single song for that to happen...

Who is this "Jimi" you speak of.

KFC911 · 11-05-2018, 11:45 AM

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Who is this "Jimi" you speak of.

Oops....misspeeled Page's name

KFC911 · 11-05-2018, 11:49 AM

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The Stones have played with him in Chicago.

I don't think there's a guitar player alive that would pass up on a chance to play with Buddy in his club (if he were there)...

The list of "our" r&r guitar idols who Buddy Guy influenced is pretty decent though