Risks in adopting a Pitti

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by speeder

Troll.

Obviously you have run out of reasoned arguments and are now resorting to ad hom attacks.

Originally Posted by speeder

It's a mix of nature and nurture but genetics are VERY important. We are who we are.

Originally Posted by speeder

It's ALL in the breeding. You can adjust behavior somewhat w socializing and training but if the genetics are fked up, forget it.

After these two gems you think my finding some equivalence in this ...

Watson’s beliefs stemmed from some geneticists who believed there were relationships between IQ scores and genetics

from here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/14/father-dna-says-he-still-believes-link-between-race-intelligence-his-lab-just-stripped-him-his-titles/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.564c0eecd777 - You can read the article and find the sentence in context.

... makes me a troll.

I think you are prejudiced.

If you said the same things about a different animal - humans - you'd be ostracized from a large section of society. The fact that the most cogent response you can come up with is an insult reinforces my opinion.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by javadog

I think the point here is that some things (large dogs, guns, 600hp cars, any Mustang) need a little more care in ownership than others and many people don't give them the extra care that is necessary and, when bad things happen, the incidents make the news quickly, as our media is prone to sensationalizing certain news.

"Pit bull eats baby"
"Assault rifle shoots school kids"
"Mustang runs over 30 people leaving Cars and Coffee event!"

Back to your specific needs, if you wish to have a dog tag along with you semi-supervised wherever you go, and you wish to be able to bring it over to the GF's house and get along with the 2 Mexican ankle killers, you're probably better off with a pretty low-key dog. A large dog, or a dog with the energy level of a pit bull, is probably not a good choice. They can be quite safe to own but they require more of the owner in the way of supervision and control.

Makes sense.... appreciate your input.

My father owns a 65 Mustang. My mother and I bought it for him when he retired a few years ago. On occasion he and I will take our cars to Car and Coffee. He's 78 and I guess its time I keep a closer eye on the Mustang. I'd hate to have it get away from him.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

In sharp contrast to our ongoing efforts with our domestic animals, I'm unaware of anyone having purpose bred humans for any specific characteristics. No one is breeding faster sprinters, bigger football players, more intelligent scientists, or anything at all like that. Unless I've somehow missed all of that.

Stole this from PARF: https://www.nature.com/scitable/forums/genetics-generation/america-s-hidden-history-the-eugenics-movement-123919444

I was going to use this: Unwanted Sterilization and Eugenics Programs in the United States | No Más Bebés | Independent Lens | PBS

Either works.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Amazing. So, in your world, one who argues that breeding plays a role in canine behavior must also be a racist. I quite honestly would not have made that connection. That's simply brilliant.

No charge.
If you read what I posted you'd see I drew a parallel. I didn't accuse anyone of anything.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

By the way, if you really want to go down the path of trotting out James Watson in a discussion about dog breeding, you may want to review what is widely acknowledged as one of the definitive studies on human intelligence. If you are really lucky, maybe you can find something these guys have published concerning canine intelligence and behavior. At least that way it might be relevant to this discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Read it a long long time ago. "From the bottom end of the bell curve" has long been a trope for stupid ideas.

To the OP.
You owe it to yourself to see how any specific dog you are interested in is going to react with the other ones that are going to be in their life. Regardless of size or breed. Other than that find one that ~you~ like.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by KC911

Do not allow the two chi-devils to ever be alone with a PBJ ....I know sammiches

PBJezebel

I've loved 17 of 'em since they were weeks old... Get the lab puppy... never look back.

The two Chi's don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. One barely moves from her spot in the sun when you come home. The other won't let you sit anywhere with having his desire to be on someones lap being immediately satiated. We have too many hawks to let them outside much.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by trader220

Makes sense.... appreciate your input.

My father owns a 65 Mustang. My mother and I bought it for him when he retired a few years ago. On occasion he and I will take our cars to Car and Coffee. He's 78 and I guess its time I keep a closer eye on the Mustang. I'd hate to have it get away from him.

He's probably fine with the Mustang. A '65 doesn't make much power and a 78 year-old is probably pretty responsible.

One thing you might do is test drive the dog you choose and take it for a visit to the GF''s house to see how it gets on with the other two dogs and how they react to having a large furry stranger invade their house.

[vash]

Pick ANY bad behavior from ANY dog.

Poops in house, jumps up on strangers, separation anxiety, etc. you name it. You will get the canned response, “ there are no bad dogs, only bad dog owners”. I’ve read it here in many many instances.

except!!!

Pit bulls. Oh hell no! “That dog is gonna rip your face off, it IN the breed. “

Adopt a dog. Eyes wide open. Just know the challenges. My biggest problem dog was a golden-Shepard mix. Total nightmare. But i know, “bad owner.......”

[trader220]

Originally Posted by javadog

He's probably fine with the Mustang. A '65 doesn't make much power and a 78 year-old is probably pretty responsible.

One thing you might do is test drive the dog you choose and take it for a visit to the GF''s house to see how it gets on with the other two dogs and how they react to having a large furry stranger invade their house.

They lived with a Pitti for a year while her sister was there working with the horses. One of the Chi's hid under the kitchen table for a year, the other could have cared less.

[speeder]

You can blame me for being stupid enough to wade into a pit bull debate on this forum. Anyone who doesn't think that dogs were bred for specific characteristics is an idiot. Do they think that it's a pure coincidence that Golden Retrievers like to swim so much? That Jack Russells like to chase gophers into their holes?

Equating the genetic characteristics of dogs w some human geneticist w racist beliefs is quite the stretch. Bravo for that one, you really got me beat there.

I could elaborate on my opinions on human behavior and nature vs. nurture, (hint-I'm not a racist), but I really need to get out the door and get some things done. I've been sick at home for days and spending too much time w the keyboard.

[flipper35]

I always thought of it this way.

You have a teen on a winding road and it is raining. On one hand he could take the long hood S or he could take the 4 pot/AT Camry. A responsible kid would probably be fine in either. Most of us might not make the entire trip at that age.

[RSBob]

Hopefully most decisions are based on the probability of a positive outcome. Should I go to college and get a well paying position or profession or chance it and become a ski bum. Yeah the ski bum sounds like a lot more fun but... I know pretty much every thing I do is based on probability. That is based on my experience and seeing other people’s outcomes taking a different path. But that is just me and certainly doesn’t apply to anyone else because as far as I can remember, no one has asked me to live their life for them, however I’m still waiting for a crack as a F1 pilot.

The probability that any thread on perceived aggressive dog breeds would degenerate into ‘I’m right, no I’m right and you are a dumb@$$” is virtually 100%. But I still enjoy looking at well reasoned arguments and more importantly seeing who puts them together.

Carry on.