Affordable vintage supercars

[Baz]

Old school for me.....still my fav. Ferrari model.......

Listed at a cool $55K in Dallas, Texas.....

[pavulon]

not really affordable, but if a fella is going to sink a pile of money, he may as well get what he wants.

[Sooner or later]

Don't know how much it costs but it sounds like a million bucks.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I want to be at the point in my life that $130k is “affordable”.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Baz

Old school for me.....still my fav. Ferrari model.......

Listed at a cool $55K in Dallas, Texas.....

Well, at least it’s a coupe. Otherwise it’s a pretty sad example of one of the least desirable years of the 308 production.

I do not know what its history might be, but it looks like it’s being sold from an indoor junkyard. It’s tired, for sure and way overpriced.

[Por_sha911]

Since we're talking about it, here's a really interesting explanation of the song

Originally Posted by tabs

A really fast Supercar really means a faster trip to jail.

Or as Joe Walsh once said, "My Maserati does 164 now I don't drive."

Originally Posted by pavulon

Hitting the shoe polish a little hard today?

Wow--if it had only gone just one mph faster, Joe could have made the lines rhyme.

Also love the 512 BB. This example is out our way, and sitting sideways on a boat ramp, of which we are seeing the high side. Ony Lady Gaga looks good from that angle. But yeah--it's sitting really high.

Back in the mid 1980's I had possession for about a year of my late cousin's 1978 Ferrari 308GTB, during which time I did a lot of work to it myself. It was really simple (well, it had 4 Weber downdrafts), and reminded me of my Fiat. But it was one of the few cars that gave me a certain nearly indescribable feeling that I've only gotten in 911s and 944s since. Objectively, it was already kinda slow, and the incredibly heavy clutch made it almost undriveable. But it was a real spine tingler for me for some reason.

i have long since given up trying to figure out why some cars just strike me as stunning. Some women have a similar effect.

[Heel n Toe]

Dude... what's going on with that 928 you were fixing up?

I don't know if it fits your definition of analog, but IMO it's pretty close. I've never driven one, but 928's are pretty dadgum super in my book.

If you still have it, finish it and take it out and carve up a country road... that might quench your appetite in a bigger way than you think.

[sc_rufctr]

Vintage Supercar? I can't think of anything worse. Today's SUVs run rings around them.

That's one of the reasons I've stuck with my SC for all these years.
The 911 will always have that evergreen feel. The 356? Even now you could drive one everyday!

Someone somewhere put a lot of effort into selling us these Vintage Supercars.

Have you ever driven a Ferrari from 70s or early 80s? How about an E Type Jag with no power steering?

Years ago a neighbor owned a Lamborghini Jalpa. Overall a horrible POS. (& that's putting it mildly)

[Mike Billings]

I was very convinced by a post on Ferrarichat that went something like this:

308, 328, 348 and 355 need an engine out service every two years.

-- whether you drive it or not

A lot of people go 5 years, but they are kidding themselves.

Headers WILL crack, and that's $4k.

This is no longer a problem for 360 and newer.

[Yorkie]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Vintage Supercar? I can't think of anything worse. Today's SUVs run rings around them.

That's one of the reasons I've stuck with my SC for all these years.
The 911 will always have that evergreen feel. The 356? Even now you could drive one everyday!

Someone somewhere put a lot of effort into selling us these Vintage Supercars.

Have you ever driven a Ferrari from 70s or early 80s? How about an E Type Jag with no power steering?

Years ago a neighbor owned a Lamborghini Jalpa. Overall a horrible POS. (& that's putting it mildly)

Nothing wrong with an E-Type with no power assist. My ‘61 roadster was super easy to drive even at parking speeds. Maybe yours had a smaller diameter steering wheel or was not set up right and there are a lots of adjusts to can be out of whack. Lots wrong about later power assisted ones as they were over boasted.

Totally agree about about the SC and 356 practicality. Drove my ‘64 to work every day in the early 2000s and it was happy even in the hideous traffic of LA. That said, neither of those cars are super cars of their era. Just good GTs.

There is a place for those old super cars and it’s in the garages of the very rich to be used on traffic-free Sunday mornings and otherwise used as a topic of conversation at parties. Nothing useful about them at all but they do look pretty. Garage art for those that are running out of things to spend their money on.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Mike Billings

I was very convinced by a post on Ferrarichat that went something like this:

308, 328, 348 and 355 need an engine out service every two years.

-- whether you drive it or not

A lot of people go 5 years, but they are kidding themselves.

Headers WILL crack, and that's $4k.

This is no longer a problem for 360 and newer.

Well, you get what you pay for on the Internet. I’m surprised you found a thread like that on FerrariChat, those guys usually are not that stupid.

308 and 328 have the belt service done with the engine in the car. They are not like the testarossa and later cars, and that the engine was designed to be easily removed for a major service. The later cars have an engine cradle that can be out of the car in an hour.

The two-year interval is also pretty stupid. Most people wait at least five years. You can go longer than that, because if you talk to one of the companies that manufacture timing belts, like Gates for instance, they’ll tell you that the belts are probably good for 7 to 9 years.

They header cracking problem was an issue on the 355. They had headers that were insulated with material designed to keep the exhaust gas temperature high and the earlier cars like the 308 and 328 did not have that and do not suffer from the problem.

Like I said earlier, Ferrari maintenance costs are almost always overstated by people that literally do not have enough of a technical background to know what they’re talking about. The bigger problem is that several models have occasional defects that are very expensive to rectify and Ferrari has trended towards not concerning themselves with keeping parts inventories for the older cars.

[GH85Carrera]

A friend of mine owned the 3rd Ferrari Daytona ever made. Totally cool looking car, and everyone says it is a ultimate GT car. BUT, it has windows that open a tiny amount, and HUGE engine and all the heat just pours into the cockpit. One a summer day, it is miserable to be in. It is fast and beautiful, but you need legs like a professional bike rider to use the clutch for long. Any car guy with a few billion in the bank wants to own one. Not many people want to drive it regularly.

[slow&rusty]

What do you guys consider as the cut-off year for "vintage" ?

[javadog]

If it drives like a kit car, then it’s vintage.

[flipper35]

A Kirkham on the high end or an ERA or Superformance in the mid range and Factory Five on the entry level will give you a lot of analog bang for the buck. 289 FIA Cobra or GT-40 are both fairly light and cheap to make power with these days. My wife will even drive the 427 replica on nice days, though she did not like the 2.73 rear end in it. It would travel at 18mph in 1st when idling with the slightly high strung motor.

An older Lotus would be a blast but I fear it would fold up like a taco with the roads around here. I have always liked the designs of Ferrari from the F40 and earlier. Not so much these days. The 365 Spyder would be my favorite. Then the old TR from '57.

Were I to buy a factory car a Pantera would be at or near the top. A Noble or Rossion would be a fun car also.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by slow&rusty

What do you guys consider as the cut-off year for "vintage" ?

Also perhaps define supercar...

From a younger perspective it is hard to consider cars much before the Ferrari F40 to be super.

The Jaguar XJ220, Jaguar XJR-15, McLaren F1, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40, Vector W8, Porsche 959, etc, these were supercars.

From WWII onwards for the first decades after WWII the regulation of street cars did not exist much beyond perhaps a requirement for signal lights. A very different landscape from the days of the cars I just listed. Your sports cars were street legal, your street cars could be tuned up to be sports cars.

It is only because of the delineation of true sports cars that were not street legal that a separate term was needed for street cars capable of similar feats as true sports cars. Hence the term super car, a car capable of being both street legal and top of the day performance.

Prior to the differentiation of non street legal sports cars I had not noticed the term supercar being used in period. I could be wrong on this.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

It is only because of the delineation of true sports cars that were not street legal that a separate term was needed for street cars capable of similar feats as true sports cars. Hence the term super car, a car capable of being both street legal and top of the day performance.

Prior to the differentiation of non street legal sports cars I had not noticed the term supercar being used in period. I could be wrong on this.

The word was in use long before your era.

Over history their have been a number of cars that set their rivals in the shade, in terms of performance, cost or exclusivity. The first real game-changer was probably the Countach when it first hit the streets in 1974. It was light years different than the Ferrari's, Lamborghinis and Maseratis that came before it.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Also perhaps define supercar...

From a younger perspective it is hard to consider cars much before the Ferrari F40 to be super.

The Jaguar XJ220, Jaguar XJR-15, McLaren F1, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40, Vector W8, Porsche 959, etc, these were supercars.

Age has nothing to do with it, I agree with your list.

They are a fast act to follow, but I was also weighted down with two passengers.

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