Another Air Pistol

[dafischer]

Nor do I. So what.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Fly Mach .86

Thanks Jeff. I finally get a responsible, intelligent answer. If it will KILL the cat, of course I will NOT use it. If it would not harm it but scare it $hitless, yes I would. Also, it's nice to see someone who has the huevos to use his real name. (Assuming it is your real name)?

Any pellet gun will break the skin of a cat and cause damage (note the pistol Jeff posted is a high power target pistol)... not sure how powerful airsoft pistols are but that may work, or a super soaker?

[Fly Mach .86]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Any pellet gun will break the skin of a cat and cause damage (note the pistol Jeff posted is a high power target pistol)... not sure how powerful airsoft pistols are but that may work, or a super soaker?

Thanks. That's the advice I was looking for.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Fly Mach .86

Thanks for the brilliant reply KC911. I can tell a lot of thought went in to your post.

My post was directed at Higgy....get over yerself...

FM.86..... are you a naught naught spy ?

I'll be back to read Higgy's crap later....can't afford to right now

[Tobra]

Sweet pistol Mr H.

Elliot, you are quite a piece of work.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by vash

500 FPS is really really respectable.

I’m gonna chrono my unmolested Blue Streak. I shoot the same pellet. I bet I don’t get much more speed. Pretty cool air gun.

I have two Blue Streaks, one a 1963 model and one a 1978 model. Dead stock, they would achieve just under 600 fps on eight pumps. Not bad, considering the Sheridan (or now Benjamin) pellet weighs 14.3 grains or so.

I have not used the JSB pellet in them much at all. I have several thousand Sheridan pellets to use up first. Neither of my HW's will shoot the Sheridan pellet accurately, so they get the JSB's. The JSB's are a bit larger in diameter and fit much more snugly into the breach of the HW's. The Sheridans don't seem to have a preference, so I'll just use up the Sheridan pellets in them.

After sending both of them to Timmy Mac of Mac 1 Air Guns for his "steroid" conversion, the older one now hits 770 fps and the newer one 750 fps. It takes 14 pumps to get there, and they don't always "clear" (use all of the air) at 14, so I limit them to 12. That still puts them well into the 700 fps range.

Tim instals his own proprietary valves along with a really spiffy billet pump arm. I would highly recommend his work for anyone with a Bluestreak, Silver Streak, or Benjamin pump gun.

Mac1 Ultimate Airgun Shopping

[rfuerst911sc]

That's a sweet little pistol , how exactly does it load/cock ? I have a Diana air rifle that cocks by breaking in the center which loads the spring . It's a sweet little rifle got it in 1968 in Germany .

[Jeff Higgins]

You cock it by pulling back on the "hammer", which is really the release that allows the "slide" to pivot forward. Pivoting the "slide" forward compresses the mainspring. In position 1 shown below, the "slide" is cocked to the low power setting. Continuing to open it forward to position 2 compresses the spring to full power. The barrel is mounted in the slide and pivots up with it. The breach where the pellet is inserted is about 1" forward of the aft end of the "slide", so there is plenty of room to get a finger in there to load a pellet and push it home. Lowering the "slide" and latching it down with the "hammer" makes the gun ready to fire.

[Superman]

I wake up each day and count my blessings. Among them is the fact I am not a rodent in your backyard.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

You cock it by pulling back on the "hammer", which is really the release that allows the "slide" to pivot forward. Pivoting the "slide" forward compresses the mainspring. In position 1 shown below, the "slide" is cocked to the low power setting. Continuing to open it forward to position 2 compresses the spring to full power. The barrel is mounted in the slide and pivots up with it. The breach where the pellet is inserted is about 1" forward of the aft end of the "slide", so there is plenty of room to get a finger in there to load a pellet and push it home. Lowering the "slide" and latching it down with the "hammer" makes the gun ready to fire.

Great explanation thank you .

[KFC911]

Duz it $uk more or le$$ than a Diana ? Just askin' fer a friend of a friend...

[71T Targa]

Very cool Jeff, a $400 BB gun.

[rfuerst911sc]

Just noticed you said .20 caliber is that something new ? My Diana is .177 which I thought was the standard .

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by KC911

Duz it $uk more or le$$ than a Diana ? Just askin' fer a friend of a friend...

I don't own a Diana (otherwise known as RWS) pistol, but I do have an RWS Diana Model 34 air rifle, and a Model 48 air rifle in .22 caliber. I bet I shoot the Model 34 more than any other. What a wonderful rifle. So is the Model 48, but it is a good deal bigger, heavier, and a lot more powerful.

I have one Weihrauch rifle as well, the HW 80 in .20 caliber. It was sold here for years as the Beeman R1. Another wonderful rifle. It's as big and heavy and powerful as the RWS 48, though. Almost "cumbersome", really, but that is where you need to go for that kind of power.

I would give a slight nod to the Weihrauch for quality. They are a little more money as well. Really, though, in the end, there is little to choose between them.

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Just noticed you said .20 caliber is that something new ? My Diana is .177 which I thought was the standard .

"Standard" air rifle/pistol calibers are still the good old .177, and the .22. Some of the more powerful air rifles now come in .25 caliber, meant for air rifle "big game" (rabbits, possums, etc.) shooting.

The .20 is definitely an oddball. It was introduced by the American company, Sheridan, along with their very high end, expensive pneumatic rifles. This was in the late '40's or early '50s. These things cost what a good centerfire hunting rifle of the day would have cost.

The guy that started the company did not want customers to use inferior quality ammunition, resulting in poor performance, and blaming his rifle. So he made it in an oddball caliber - .20 - so customers had to use his ammunition. Sheridan Bluestreak and Silverstreak rifles, along with the company's pistols, were the only air guns available in .20 caliber for years.

I'm not sure when it happened, but eventually a few other manufacturers took an interest in .20 caliber. Very, very few offer it today, or ever have. The only guns I own in .20 caliber are my Bluestreaks, one Sheridan pistol, and now one rifle and one pistol from Weihrauch.

It's really, really "picking nits", and air gun uber geeky, but the .20 caliber does offer real advantages. It can achieve the same velocities as the .22 calibers with the same pellet weight, but has better sectional density, so it penetrates better. Same weight, less frontal area. That said, the rats I shoot probably cannot tell the difference...

[71T Targa]

Jeff, have all of your toys ever gotten together for a group photo? I believe that would be pretty impressive.

Color me jealous.

On a serious note, how loud is this one? My little neighborhood has a strict 'no gun ' policy. Many if the air guns I've heard are as loud as a .22 short.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by 71T Targa

Jeff, have all of your toys ever gotten together for a group photo? I believe that would be pretty impressive.

Color me jealous.

Geezus, you'd probably see that on the news, with helicopters circling, spotlights, and all of that...

Originally Posted by 71T Targa

On a serious note, how loud is this one? My little neighborhood has a strict 'no gun ' policy. Many if the air guns I've heard are as loud as a .22 short.

They are loud enough that my neighbors know I'm shooting. The pneumatics (Sheridans and Benjamins) are the loudest. They have a very noticeable crack. The spring-piston RWS and Weihrauch are not as bad. The noise of the springers goes up with their power, with the RWS 48 and HW 80 being nearly as loud as the pneumatics. The RWS 34 is the quietest by far, but is also noticeably less powerful.

The HW 30 is a lower powered springer that is really pretty quiet. It even comes with a silencer in one version, which renders it, well - silent. Gamo has a number of silenced springers as well, for a lot less money, but like with all things in life, you pretty much get what you pay for.

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw30s-.177-urban-pro/

[Rusty Heap]

Bring it out and lets play