1200 miles in a new Tesla

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by island911

Yeah, pretending that electricity never comes from coal or oil-fired power plants...

Which also gets to the Q; how is the grid supposed to keep up? LA and NYC have brown out just from AC units.

This is a reasonable point and the way electricity is generated across the country will definitely vary. Some places are relatively clean, while others are not. It's easy to check with this calculator;

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/ev-emissions-tool

Even if it's a wash in terms of CO2, moving the emissions out of traffic congested areas must be better for health.

How does the grid keep up is another good question, although most EV owners charge at night when the grid is under lower demand, and the majority of EV chargers draw less current than an AC unit. I don't think it's impossible to manage.

[1990C4S]

The efficiency of a generating station is far superior to a car. Coal is still bad, but its use will inevitably decline.

In the end the battery powered cars will fix the grid, not destroy it. Excess night capacity can be used to charge cars, and energy from vehicles can be sold at a profit during daylight hours when there's a shortage. Your car will be programmed to save enough energy to get you where you need to go, but sell the excess stored energy at a profit.

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by McLovin

1. It’s a great looking car, inside and out.

Lost me right there... ;-)

Front bumper looks like Daffy duck hit a low wall... Interior is just weird and low rent.
I could live with the shrunk model S look (the model S is pretty to me, the 3 is squished and too tall for its lenght) but that front bumper, nope...

I agree with your other points though, I dig electrics, I have an Egolf for commute and errands (and a 911 for when I feel the need)... $124 a month, it's practically free - cheaper than gas for my other car. Short trips, no warmup, no gas stations, it's awesome. I'd buy a T3 if it were made by a real manufacturer and less ugly. Next year will be an onslaught from VW and others...

[island911]

What... you don't like the high design of an iPad instrument cluster? /sarc.

[island911]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

The efficiency of a generating station is far superior to a car. ...

Is it? I know that Toyota is getting over 40% thermal efficiency in the Prius IC, and Mercedes is getting over 50% TE in a race motor.

So, honest Q; what kind of efficiency from a hydrocarbon based generating station, power delivered with line and transformer loss?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Aerkuld

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Even if it's a wash in terms of CO2, moving the emissions out of traffic congested areas must be better for health....

You do know that humans exhale CO2 and water vapor, right? ...same as car exhaust.

Also of note, so many talk about CO2 as some evil gas. 'a pollutant" And yet they don't seem to have any clue that there is VERY little of it in our atmosphere and that this trace gas is the primary building block of all of our vegetation.

This planet, and every thing on it DIES without enough CO2.

Man could not create problematic high CO2 levels if we tried.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

The efficiency of a generating station is far superior to a car. Coal is still bad, but its use will inevitably decline.

In the end the battery powered cars will fix the grid, not destroy it. Excess night capacity can be used to charge cars, and energy from vehicles can be sold at a profit during daylight hours when there's a shortage. Your car will be programmed to save enough energy to get you where you need to go, but sell the excess stored energy at a profit.

coal is declining fast - NG is killing it faster than any regulations

I also agree with your 2nd para. - but there could be problems in the near term.

and that brings us back to the MuskMoBile and Tesla - he is very smart to integrate PV panels and batteries into his industrial conglomerate; not to say that success is assured

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Aerkuld

This is a reasonable point and the way electricity is generated across the country will definitely vary. Some places are relatively clean, while others are not. It's easy to check with this calculator;

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/ev-emissions-tool

Even if it's a wash in terms of CO2, moving the emissions out of traffic congested areas must be better for health.

How does the grid keep up is another good question, although most EV owners charge at night when the grid is under lower demand, and the majority of EV chargers draw less current than an AC unit. I don't think it's impossible to manage.

it would be fun for people to plug in their zip code and see where (if anywhere) in the US, that EV use generates > half the emissions of a gas fueled car

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by island911

You do know that humans exhale CO2 and water vapor, right? ...same as car exhaust.

Also of note, so many talk about CO2 as some evil gas. 'a pollutant" And yet they don't seem to have any clue that there is VERY little of it in our atmosphere and that this trace gas is the primary building block of all of our vegetation.

This planet, and every thing on it DIES without enough CO2.

Man could not create problematic high CO2 levels if we tried.

Thanks for explaining that.

Did you know more comes out of a vehicle exhaust than CO2?

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Lost me right there... ;-)

Front bumper looks like Daffy duck hit a low wall... Interior is just weird and low rent.
I could live with the shrunk model S look (the model S is pretty to me, the 3 is squished and too tall for its lenght) but that front bumper, nope... ...

I agree no where as sexy as my i3. Thanks for convincing me to keep it and not downgrading in styling.



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[island911]

Originally Posted by Aerkuld

Thanks for explaining that.

Did you know more comes out of a vehicle exhaust than CO2?

You mean when running, right?

Hey, did you know that Water vapor is a MUCH bigger green-house gas player than CO2? And is the primary gas produced by burning fuels? And that humans convert almost a liter of water to vapor per day? And that's 24/7/365.

Of course the big Who cares is there because everyone seems to know that when saturation limit happens it rains.

yet, apparently people don't seem to grasp the Carbon cycle... how small we are in the carbon cycle and how hard plants have to work to find enough CO2 to grow.

The atmosphere has maybe 40% CO2 . .. no wait, let's divide that by 10... call it 4% atmospheric CO2.

no wait, that's too much too, let's divide that by 10 again... 0.4% atmospheric CO2

no wait, that's too much too, let's divide that by 10 again... 0.04% atmospheric CO2.

There we go. Not a lot. The earth has seen much MUCH higher levels of CO2 in the past. Some scientists have noted that our atmosphere is at a CO2 low point. Also note that many commercial greenhouses pump in higher levels of CO2 to help plants grow.

Weird, the people whom claim to advocate for a "green" planet want to starve the plants of CO2. Well, at least make them really work to get any.

[RWebb]

people like island don't seem to grasp the Carbon cycle

take your idiocy back to Parf

[RWebb]

and BTW, sketches of the Taycan are out - not bad at all

[Jims5543]

My electricity is from Nuclear and Solar plants, our last coal plant closed 10+ years ago.

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[RWebb]

our = FL? they used to be #1 or #2 in coal use

[island911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

people like island don't seem to grasp the Carbon cycle

take your idiocy back to Parf

Nice. You lash out when butt-hurt.

Can't make a reasoned argument so you pitch aspersions.

How about you take your insults back to Parf

[gtc]

Hahaha, yes, too many plants and not enough CO2. Let’s cut down more trees to save the plants, and burn more oil so they have CO2 to consume. I’m doing it for the planet, I swear!

[island911]

Originally Posted by gtc

Hahaha, yes, too many plants and not enough CO2. Let’s cut down more trees to save the plants, and burn more oil so they have CO2 to consume. I’m doing it for the planet, I swear!

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that plants have enormous capacity to sink carbon dioxide. This is a point that many simply do not consider. They believe that every bit of CO2 that man emits stays, and builds and builds. That's just not true.


https://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/

Peer-Reviewed Study finds ‘ancient’ Earth’s climate similar to present day — despite CO2 levels 5 to over 20 times higher than today...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-08/uol-aae080910.php

Again, it's a trace gas. The ability of CO2 to raise atmospheric temps has been grossly exaggerated. Although, that Al Gore 'think' is still well planted in people's minds.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Aerkuld

This is a reasonable point and the way electricity is generated across the country will definitely vary. Some places are relatively clean, while others are not. It's easy to check with this calculator;

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/ev-emissions-tool

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That calculator is cool. My Volt produces as many polutants as a ICE car getting 51 mpg. So those who think electric car owners are just virtue signaling can suck it.

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Drove a fully loaded RWD Long Range Model 3 from Seattle to San Diego.

An interesting car, for sure. Some impressions...

Originally Posted by McLovin

Did the trip in 2 days.

1200 miles, 2 days...and you post here...not one single picture of the car or your trip?

C'mon, man.