The Blackhawks/logo

[Por_sha911]

There have always been people are offended by anything and everything. Now they have been empowered by the MSM and become "cry-bullies".

BTW: The FSU Semioles have had a contractual agreement with that indian tribe for many years to use the name. The Seminole tribe feels they are being honored and FSU is very supportive of them.


Hopefully the Blackhawks can work out an agreement with the tribe (if they haven't already). Not a fan of the team but I do like their original 6 logo

[MRM]

Yes.

[vash]

i like the logo, but honestly i am not native American and really have no reasoning to be offended.

now if they had some Chinese Kung-fu logo complete with rice paddy hat? hell yes, i'd buy a jersey and maybe even learn some hockey rules, like WTF is "icing"?

[onewhippedpuppy]

If they named a team “middle aged white guys” I’d consider it a tribute.

[Tobra]

Nothing is safe

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Of course "Redskins" is not a tribe but it is representative of Indians! Is it disrespectful or respectful?
What I'd really like to know is how native Americans feel about it.

Would you back a team that was using a derogatory racial slur as a name? I wouldn't.

I don't see a problem with Redskin because of the context.

How about the Atlanta Braves? I'm sure if your searched hard enough you'd find someone who's offended by that.

Naw. The term Redskin was definitely a racial pejorative.

Other names that celebrate the warrior spirit of Native Americans are different.

The Cleveland Indians logo is kind of offensive simply because it cartoonish representation. Lots of shades of gray here....that Americans will be utterly incapable of navigating......

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Nothing is safe

If Kaepernick has his way, they may become the "Washington Honkeys" (which of course wouldn't be racist).

(Am I getting too close to the PARF line?)

[stealthn]

Meanwhile up in Canada...

The Edmonton Eskimos football club confirmed Monday that it is asking shareholders and “other key audiences” to complete a survey about the team’s name and whether it should be changed.

The CFL team has faced waves of criticism for its name over the years, with some people arguing it is racist and shows a lack of respect for Indigenous people in northern regions of Canada and the U.S.

The latest public debate about the name arose last week when Belairdirect, an insurance firm and sponsor of the team, indicated it may sever its ties with the club unless it changes its name.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7173212/edmonton-eskimos-cfl-name-survey-inuit-inuk/

[1990C4S]

In the end, it's always money that forces the change.

[Seahawk]

New Washington football team logo is out!

[Tobra]

No good sir, also cultural appropriation. Symbol stolen from a miniature black dude who was a musical genius. His estate would file suit too, no doubt.

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Nothing is safe

^^^ this!

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Are Native Americans offended by this image? (Honest question: I'd really like to know)

My wife is 99% Native American. She gives zero Fuchs.

[Hard-Deck]

https://youtu.be/oSjk-0sUu5A

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Are Native Americans offended by this image? (Honest question: I'd really like to know)

I'll assume that it's because of your location, but the Indians are near the TOP of the list of "teams with racist names" that are getting all of the attention.

I'm an old Blackhawks fan, but I gave up on them when they started to suck balls. We moved over to supporting the Wolves, who not only played better, were dirt cheap and seemed to respect their fans. It sickened me to see the fair weather fans when we visited the West Side in July 2013, and every hipster bar and shop was plastered with Blackhawks gear (they won the cup about 3 weeks earlier). Freaking wannabes...

[Pazuzu]

I also went to school at Illinois, and our mascot was Chief Illiniwek. He was a pretty accurate representation of the historical local tribes (considering "Illinois" and "Chicago" were Indian names...)
Even back in the 90s, people were putting black tape over his image in baseball hats and t-shirts and such. Not the school, not the name, just the image. This ain't new.

[island911]

from PARF

Originally Posted by dlockhart

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Snapper33

https://youtu.be/oSjk-0sUu5A

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I’m 1/1,024 offended.

[masraum]

My source is Wikipedia, and wikipedia says... (gotta be familiar with the old EF Hutton commercials for that)

Logo
Further information: Chicago Blackhawks name and logo controversy
This vintage logo was brought back in 1991 and 2008; it was their primary logo from the 1937–38 to 1954–55 seasons.

McLaughlin's wife, Irene Castle, designed the original version of the team's logo, which featured a crudely-drawn black and white Native head in a circle.[164] This design went through several significant changes between 1926 and 1955. During this period, seven distinct versions of the primary logo were worn on the team's uniforms. At the beginning of the 1955–56 season, the outer circle was removed and the head began to resemble the team's current primary logo. This crest and uniform went through subtle changes until the 1964–65 season; the basic logo and jersey design have remained constant ever since. In 2008, The Hockey News' staff voted the team's main logo to be the best in the NHL.[165] In 2010, sports columnist Damien Cox called on the franchise to retire the "racially insensitive" logo, saying that, "Clearly, no right-thinking person would name a team after an aboriginal figure these days any more than they would use Muslims or Africans or Chinese or any ethnic group to depict a specific sporting notion."[166] Furthermore, the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) believes that all Native-themed logos, including that of the Blackhawks, "continue to profit from harmful stereotypes originated during a time when white superiority and segregation were common place."[167]

The Blackhawks have worked with the American Indian Center to help educate their community and fan base by sharing Native American culture and history. Scott Sypolt, executive counsel for the American Indian Center, commented on the logo and name controversy: Joe Podlasek, the executive director of the American Indian Center of Chicago, commented on their relationship, stating, "[The Hawks] are far and away ahead of everyone else in forward-thinking. What they have done is engaged the community. In the other cities (organizations) want nothing to do with native people but yet they're trying to say they respect us."[168] However, this stance is markedly different from the one taken by the American Indian Center up until recent years. In 2010, Joe Podlasek stated that, "The stance is very clear. We want the Chicago Blackhawks logo to change. For us, that's one of our grandfathers. Would you do that with your grandfather's picture? Take it and throw it on a rug? Walk on it and dance on it?"[169] John Blackhawk, Chairman of the Winnebago Tribe of Nebraska, has suggested that the change in position may be tied to contributions the team has recently begun making to the center: "We all do contributions, but we don't do it for the sake of wanting to be forgiven for something we've done that's offensive." [170]

In 2019, the American Indian Center of Chicago ended all ties to the Chicago Blackhawks Foundation, stating they will no longer affiliate "with organizations that perpetuate stereotypes through the use of "Indian" mascots." The AIC noted in its statement that they "previously held a relationship with the Chicago Blackhawks Foundation with the intention of educating the general public about American Indians and the use of logos and mascots. The AIC, along with members of the community have since decided to end this relationship" and stated that "going forward, AIC will have no professional ties with the Blackhawks, or any other organization that perpetuates harmful stereotypes."[171][172]

On July 7, 2020, the Blackhawks issued a press release to defend their team's name and logo. The team stated, "The Chicago Blackhawks name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public." The Blackhawks further stated they would "expand awareness" of Black Hawk and all Indigenous American contributions. The press release came after other American professional sports teams, including the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians, reevaluated their names and logos.[173]