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We are not anti mask by any means but that is what you hear about on the news. When our daughter was born 26 years ago and due to her health condition we were warned from ever touching door handles, elevator buttons or anything the public touches. We use our knee shirt or skirt to open door handles. I watch people grab a door handle then adjust their mask touching their face. That door handle is touched by 250+ people a day and I doubt it ever gets wiped down.

you all are probably professional germ-avoidance at this point. good for you..me? i can always improve.

i dont mind the mask personally. i mind that people mind i dont mind the mask..:)

it is really odd what a person can get annoyed at..a perfect stranger, you will never ever see again for the most part..who gives a flying rats-ass what they do? i saw a guy yelling at an older lady wearing a mask while driving solo in her car. it really bothered him. makes you wonder about a guy with that much anger.

Yeah, people get mad over the weirdest things.

If I run to the store, it's 1/4 mile down the road. I wear my mask. It's easier to leave it on than to take it off and put it back on when I park. If I got to someplace 2-3 miles down the road, I'm probably going to take my mask off when I get in the car and put it back on when I park (assuming I don't forget that I'm wearing it which has happened a couple of times).

I've also seen videos online of folks going off on people that were separated from everyone else. A couple having a picnic away from everyone else, and a crazy woman approached them and pepper sprayed them. Or some other chick with her boyfriend that threw a cup of coffee at a couple of dudes that were hanging out by themselves.

I was going to say, people have lost their minds, but the real deal is that there's now a particular catalyst that is exposing those folks who lost their minds a long time ago.


Initially, I started wearing a mask because my wife wanted me to. I wasn't too concerned (and I'm still not), but it makes her happy. Also, it's no skin off my back to wear a mask and maybe keep myself and/or my family healthy and happy and others.

I'm not a germaphobe, but I do use the paper towel that I dry my hands off with in a public restroom to open the door to get out. I occasionally, depending upon the door location/use, will use an odd part of the handle to open the door. IE, most folks use the central part of a long handle to open a door, but I may use the top or bottom. I may also use my foot or knee to open a door.

My favorite is to see all the people driving to these "anti mask" rallies, because they dont want to wear a state mandated safety device...

...then they get in their cars and immediately put on their seatbelts:confused:

I bought a couple of things on Craigslist this week and wore a mask when I went to the door to pick up (my great stuff). The people seemed surprised that I was wearing a mask.

I guess I'm just used to wearing as I work in a food plant and we've been wearing masks for years when out in the plant. We now wear them in the office when in contact with others. I'm fortunate to have a private office so I can take the mask off during the day but it doesn't bother me to quickly put it on.

When out in public, I'd say 99% are now wearing them but I do see the occasional rebel. I mind my own business. I do think it's dumb when I see someone with a mask but not wearing it or it's just around their neck. Oh well, I feel protected and I sanitize my hands before taking off the mask since I know I touched a million things.

My brother says "people are crazy, some just hide it better than others". Seems the hiding is coming to an end and people are just letting the crazy fly. I find it helpful to point and laugh at the person flying off the handle, it really gets em' going. But then again, I'm the kinda guy that if you ride my ass while I'm passing a semi, I'll slow to the same speed as the semi just to piss the person off even more.

Building up a tolerance to germs is healthy...by touching door knobs, light switches, and stairway railings (and not immediately sanitizing), you are toughening up your internal germ fighting abilities.

Using sanitizer will dry your hands to the point of leaving open cracks on your hands (not healthy).

I used to do that some when I was a kid. These days, I just let it go. No point in getting my BP up, or worse yet, really pissing the numbnut behind me off so he can go down the road full of road rage and get in an accident with someone else.
Right, my immune system is top notch. I've lived with germs for a bunch of years, and I rarely get sick.

Still, there are times to avoid them if possible. I don't go around eating old food thinking "if the food poisoning doesn't kill me, it'll make me stronger." I also wouldn't recommend having as much unprotected sex with as many strange women as possible to give your immune system a bump.

or carry guns for protection. hahha..i think a germ attack is more probable.

you gotta love the myriad of flavors people come in..

it seems this virus 'specializes' in attacking immune systems that are top notch

That’s an interesting reason to have all that crazy secks with all those strange womens... doing it for the immune system!

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Careful, I don't think that fits the narrative.

A few years back we went to the Louisville Slugger factory. They have a ton of hands on items and encourage you to pick up bats and touch the exhibits. I touched them all, and watched a movie and sat in seat that had someone else in in shortly before I sat down.

Near the end of our stay after the tour of the bat production line I went into the gift shop and it was PACKED wall to wall with people. Then we loaded up on a bus to go to a restaurant. I was thinking I really want to wash the dirt off my hands before I eat. They took us to the wrong restaurant, and that was a fiasco and the restaurant put us in a back room and with all that I forgot all about washing my hands. I proceeded to eat a burger that was great. Then I remembered I never washed my hands. No big deal, I did not get even a little sick. Immune systems are great. The common cold or the flu or the Kung Flu can get the healthiest person. So I don't push my luck.

I wear a mask in public.

don't we all...

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There are quite a few germophobes out there that have, until now, suppressed their fears and were able to function fairly normally. I’ll bet they are the ones flying off the handle at the sight of an unmasked person. Gotta be a living hell.

Even when I watch a movie or whatever and see how close people are to each other and how dirty they are and their complete disregard for viruses and bacteria I cringe.

Agreed. But if you haven't built up a tolerance to this particular "germ" by now its a little late to get started. I think the definition of a pandemic is that of a disease that spreads so quickly the population cannot develop an immunity fast enough.

Some people are fortunate enough to walk around with nothing but a functioning immune system. Crazy, I know.

As the OP surely knows, people with lung transplants, and the like, are on all sorts of immunosuppression drugs so that their bodies will not immediately reject the foreign parts.

Life; it's messy.

They are of the superior race that will inherit the planet.

We are them.

We all come from long lines of those whom have survived all sorts of viruses, fungi, bacteria...

Obviously surviving and thriving are two different things. - doing the covid cower is not thriving. Now wear your face mask. You know, the one that leaks around all the edges. It will protect you . . . from angry Karens.

I know, right? Personally, I've been shooting myself in various parts of my body with a 9mm over the last few years, you know - once every 6 months or so, just to build up immunity to that caliber of bullet.

I think I've pretty much got 9mm immunity down cold, I'm going to move on to 45 ACP next.

It's really been a valuable growth experience for me, both from a health perspective (educating my body to resist foreign invasion) and in the aspect that I've met so many new, lifelong friends at the local walk-in clinic and hospital ER.

I just wish that my wife would join me on my journey to health independence, I've been trying to convince her that a bullet to a non-essential limb once every few months is the true path to lead/steel projectile immunity.

I actually think this is only baby steps, I have no doubt that nuclear immunity is possible within a few generations applying this same techinque.

Help me get the word out!

Though seemingly reasonable, the sarcastic 9mm vaccine progressing to .45 and ultimately to nukular immunity analogy is terminally flawed. And cute in a condescending sort of way.

In actual fact, immunity against one virus does (but not always) precipitate an immunity to another virus of the same class.

Of course, taking a 9mm once does not protect against taking a 9mm again, let alone taking a .45. Progressing all the way to eventually acquiring nukular immunity is like saying strong viral immunity will provide protection against bacteria.

Comparing a .45 to a coronavirus is like comparing a bumper sticker to War and Peace, even facetiously just to make a point. Effective and if it works for you, spread the word!

There was an Adams Family episode where Gomez walks in with a parachute and states that he has been opening it lower and lower and figures eventually he won’t even need it.

the mask is about protecting other folks, more than anything.
it's a strange contradiction - the negative responses to mask wearers.
basic instilled hatred - the fabric that facilitates a divide and conquer mentality.
you're with us or against us ....... etc etc.

Is that like wearing less and less of a mask?

I mean bandanas?

Edge leaky surgical masks that lose there evectivity in 20-30 minutes? (and leak around the edges)

Would any of you go into a room full of covid positive people who were wearing bandanas or surgical masks? - you know, with the covid positive virus shedders those masks will protect the other people.^TM

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Yes yes

My body, my choice...

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Red shirt is wearing his to protect other people!

Hope Elissa is doing well.

I agree. It is amazing how much people will get fixated on masks (for or against) and totally ignore potential cross contamination by direct contact, esp. checkout lines and such.

Yes..how has her return to 'normal' daily life been?
Getting her full strength back?

Agreed.

There's a lot of false equivalency in this thread.

The fact is, the healthy human body does an amazing job defending against viruses and bacteria. Indeed, we've evolved to symbiotically co-opt some to assist with our digestion and metabolic processes. We're made up of more foreign cells than human cells.

At risk people should wear quality masks. Everyone else should be allowed get on with their lives.

Slightly related, this guy from WI has been letting deadly snakes bite him and injecting their venom to try and build up immunity to venom.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2395803/snakebite-antivenom-tim-friede

I'm sharing this as I found it an interesting read. I was going to post several days ago but didn't. This was posted on a professional study group website. I'm not trying to knock anyone down or reinforcing anyone's prior stances above in this thread, just sharing.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

Thank you for posting. And bless that man for writing such a thoughtful summary of where we are today.

Must read.

From the article. This didn't happen.


"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viruses do — which is what we’re observing globally right now"

Agreed. That is why I don't share it as gospel, nor do I share it to prove a side. This article is ripe for grabbing at stuff to support for debate. That isn't my intent. I could see where Stadler would view it "merely a seasonal cold virus" as that from his perspective. I was more intrigued by the concept of shattered viral genomes interpreted as reinfections on pcr testing. That could explain much. The partial immunity concept also fascinates me (as a puzzle piece) :

It also became known that Sars-CoV-2 had a less significant impact in areas in China where Sars-1 had previously raged. This is clear evidence urgently suggesting that our immune system considers Sars-1 and Sars-Cov-2 at least partially identical and that one virus could probably protect us from the other.


Even if true, I would quantify that as one piece of a larger puzzle, which we may never know the exact answer to, which is a bummer, because, I'd really like to know the exact details.

Earlier in this thread the concept of the 9mm vs 45 was made, then the idea of Gomez and the parachute (or someone from the munsters... or something like that :) ). I personally think both sides of that might be right to some degree. For me- more info needed.

It's mid August and it doesn't seem to have disappeared. If it is cold virus, and is clearly no seasonal one (as can be observed in January through August 2020) can we assume it has the same rate of immunity as other cold viruses, which is only a matter of a few weeks?

He never said it didn't happen. He said the underlying family of virus isn't new and that such family of virus is largely seasonal (which is why the southern hemisphere is having higher mortality now). And yes corona viruses are often responsible for the common cold/flu. None of that is ground breaking - - in fact, it's so well understood that the author seems embarrassed at how overblown the hysteria became amongst his cohorts, and especially regarding the idea that there was/is no natural immunity.

Flus and colds kill people. No question. Has COVID killed more than usual? Yep. But that doesn't mean that there's no immunity and that we should all freak out.

Indeed, it's worth noting that flu mortality was below trend in prior years (not discussed in the article). It's actually theorized (and possible) that COVID had greater mortality in 2020 at least partly due to there being an abundance of susceptible people - - people that, on average, would have died sooner but for a light flu season in years past.

If you're immuno-compromised, by all means, be careful. But as a society, our best chance at surviving AND living a normal life is to have all the healthy people get out there and get over the virus. Healthy people get herd immunity so the sick don't die. Masks and lockdowns for all, particularly at this stage in the epidemic, only extend the pain and economic harm.

It's time we get on with living. That's the author's point.

He has gone too far with what he is claiming. He also stated it would come back as a cold. Not that if it comes back it might come back as a cold. That it would come back as a cold.

So far, he was wrong about it dying out in the summer and could possibly be wrong about it coming back as a cold.

I agree that we need to get back to a more normal society. I just don't like to see exaggerations on either side of the subject. It ain't a cold and it ain't the Black Plague.

This is 2017 (CDC)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/...mm6826a5-F.GIF

A lot of people die each day. Thousands in the US. Every day. Cold & flu seasons push a few more hundreds over the edge. -every day!

Some people insist that we must stop living until people stop dying.

Paradoxical, that.