Progress:

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Excellent! That is a complicated design. Now will you be adding hips? If you have trouble laying them out you can always use CAD (cardboard aided design). Place your to be pattern in position and use a long stick resting on the existing rafters horizontally and trace both sides to see if they match.

You probably are way ahead of me. I'd like to build a smaller, shorter version of that. I'm subscribed.

Thank you, Zeke!

I’m using OSB for templates. Lightweight but rigid enough to lay ‘em up right on the structure itself for ‘adjustments’. For some reason every single one of my squares isn’t. Damn tools!

The hips will be a challenge. The drape requires The seat cuts on the birdsmouths to be incrementally one inch shallower from the center rafters to the hips which makes the Height Above Plate (HAP) one inch greater for each birdsmouth. That, of course, changes the plumb cuts at the ridge. I’m not concerned about the rafter tails yet until they’re all up. Normally, one would simply snap a line and cut the tails plumb. However, I’m thinking I might make the length of the rafters shorter at the corners (hips). If I do, the rafter slopes will be curved, the eves draped AND not linear but rather elliptical as viewed from above. We’ll see.

The way I do stuff makes me impatient. I used to tell people I see things that aren’t there. By that I mean I visualize the entire project, painting, tree, story or whatever in addition to each phase of it’s execution so that the whole thing, whatever it is, ends up being a process of making my idea into reality. The whole time I get increasingly anxious to compare the thing to what I have already seen in my mind. It’s a burden.

The difference between a dreamer and an artist is that the artist ends up with something.

Oh, I completely understand where you're coming from. I, obviously, haven't had to deal with folks as a contractor, but I was in customer service of various sorts for years, so I understand that folks are morons but think they are geniuses.
Wow, very nice! I am loving watching the progress and can't wait to see the finished product!

Well said. I too visualize quite well. I sometimes struggle a bit with colors but that is easily remedied. At least I have a general idea.

Yeah, I have seldom done shop drawings and yet build things like a portable band saw stand on the fly.

The bird's mouth is deeper on a hip. But it looks like the drape works in your favor there. I'd have to study this more to see what the ramifications are for the ellipse at the rafter edge line. Could make for some interesting cuts on the roof material. The idea of a lath kind of sub roof appeals to me if you shingle it. I think I might go nuts trying to do plywood. Actually I did do that once boxing in the overhang on a Japanese style house. It was what they wanted so you do it. It took way more time than you'd think.

It's been awhile since I laid out a roof or stairs. Probably come back if the need arose. I certainly wish I had been there at the beginning of some layouts I have seen.

[QUOTE=Zeke;12567311I mean they would set a budget based on the approved plans and he could and would stick to the budget until the first change order. Then all agreements as to price went out the window. Which happened every time.[/QUOTE]

Ha! I have a friend who is a custom home builder. He bought a boat and named it “Change Order,” because that’s what paid for it.

This is an amazing project. Skill and attention to detail is impressive.

lol!