New Fuel Developed by Porsche!

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Less than 20% powered by renewable?

And that is electricity generation. If you look actual end-use consumption (after all losses factored), then renewables are closer to HALF that number.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by RWebb

you need to distinguish NG from coal, whippie

and BTW, wind is big in Kansass

Why? Is NG now a "renewable" and not a fossil fuel?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Why? Is NG now a "renewable" and not a fossil fuel?

Why even respond to someone who disparages a state with childish spellings.

[RWebb]

carbon intensity

[ckissick]

If wind proves to be undependable, use nuclear. Using nuclear-generated electricity to ultimately make gasoline seems more environmentally friendly then switching all cars on the planet to battery power. That many car batteries can't be good for the environment. But what do I know? I'm just a geologist.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Webb is a “scientist”, you should listen to him. Spelling isn’t all that great though.

[island911]

LOL ^

OP stuff - Green Wash.

It's what everyone is doing.

[onewhippedpuppy]

All of this is academic anyway, most of the cities trying to eliminate ICE are doing so to eliminate pollution caused by tailpipe emissions. Not sure how a synthetic fuel is going to solve that issue.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Webb is a “scientist”, you should listen to him. Spelling isn’t all that great though.

do you want in on the bet whippy???

[GH85Carrera]

And even the wind power is not really green. It takes HUGE amounts of concrete for the foundation, and high tech materials to manufacture the windmill. Transport the components to the site, and the upkeep and maintenance of the windmill his high. They are worn out and need to be replaced before they ever go positive in energy production over the energy needed to put one up.

And we get a landscape covered in ugly windmills. And at night when the winds let up, they are just large aviation hazards. During the day the do a great job of killing lots of birds.

[RWebb]

and don't forget the bats - no free lunch

the trick is to get the best lunch at the best price

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by RWebb

do you want in on the bet whippy???

I used to know this guy who would get really bent if you called him the Parfessor.

This is a good thread, be eloquent and polite. It would be a shame to close it because people couldn't agree to say their piece and leave it at that.

[RWebb]

I used to know a mod who would enforce rules equally

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by RWebb

do you want in on the bet whippy???

Is there a pool going? Guess I missed that one.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

And even the wind power is not really green. It takes HUGE amounts of concrete for the foundation, and high tech materials to manufacture the windmill. Transport the components to the site, and the upkeep and maintenance of the windmill his high. They are worn out and need to be replaced before they ever go positive in energy production over the energy needed to put one up.

And we get a landscape covered in ugly windmills. And at night when the winds let up, they are just large aviation hazards. During the day the do a great job of killing lots of birds.

The ultimate irony is that the people who push the hardest for wind energy are the same ones who scream when you try to build them near their house. NIMBY is full of irony. We have lots of them in KS, the farmers say they’re about as good as an oil well in terms of the lease payments. But yes they are expensive, unreliable, and without government incentives are not a break even proposition.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

And even the wind power is not really green. It takes HUGE amounts of concrete for the foundation, and high tech materials to manufacture the windmill. Transport the components to the site, and the upkeep and maintenance of the windmill his high. They are worn out and need to be replaced before they ever go positive in energy production over the energy needed to put one up.

And we get a landscape covered in ugly windmills. And at night when the winds let up, they are just large aviation hazards. During the day the do a great job of killing lots of birds.

Yep. And they are ridiculously noisy. That's why siting wind farms is so difficult (noise pollution and blight are primary concerns, in addition to the "windiness" of the location). And as Matt mentioned: NIMBY rules apply.

The largest elephant in the room is still the lack of efficiency, energy density footprint (kWh/m2), and the inconsistent production. Grid-scale wind is non-viable without peak/stability co-generation (spinning and non-spinning back-ups) to maintain grid balance, which is almost exclusively the domain of NG turbines. And in most cases, it's better just to use those gas turbines by themselves without the wind.
Grid-stability with wind requires a cogen source that is constantly ramping up and down, starting and stopping.

Even in the absolute best-case scenarios, grids start running into efficiency and balance issues (and exponentially higher costs) when wind-penetration reaches about 5% or more of the grid.
It simply isn't worth the trouble in utility-scale applications.

[Por_sha911]

Better still, just continue to do development on a flux capacitor which can generate 1.21 gigawatts of power.

[ckissick]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Better still, just continue do development on a flux capacitor which can generate 1.21 gigawatts of power.

I believe it's spelled, jigawatts.

[Por_sha911]

[Nostril Cheese]

Can someone educate me on possible solar usage for this sort of thing?