Chinese product failure rate
 

Seems to be the crap we buy, all we can buy as everything is made over there is failing out the box. My replacement Streamlight Lithium batteries just arrived from Amazon.

Dead on arrival and no ability to take a charge, plug in voltage gauge as the Mercedes has no meter or gauge. Reads 17volts at idle and falls to 6 volts at 2,000 rpms.

Autozone test light. Looked to be a fail but I put the alligator clip on + and the needle on - and it worked....

Shoddy workmanship I can handle. Crap that flat doesn't work pisses me off. :rolleyes:

China bashing is fun. And no country deserves it more. But crooks are everywhere, and crappy quality products are not new. What is different about this era is the good quality stuff is really hard to find if it is available at all.

It is pretty much impossible to find many products that are not made in China at any price. Few people are willing to pay double for a top quality gizmo when China can package, and ship it for half the price.

There was a local tool store that was family owned and in business for many years. They had three levels of tools, cheap junky made in India or China level tools, better mid level Craftsman level tools for home mechanics, or pro grade top quality stuff. It was right down the street from a favorite restaurant of mine. I use to go eat lunch and browse the store and always found some tool I just had to have.

Harbor Freight put them out of business, with all Chinese made stuff. I mourned the passing of that store.

Pretty much the same experience here. A Costco opened up a couple years ago and is always busy. Hardly anything in there is made in the USA.

I don't buy much these days, apart from food and gas, but when I do, the first thing I look for is the country of origin label.

I'll buy used before I buy crap made in China.

I buy nothing from Amazon, Costco, Sam's, Ebay and the like.

Which is odd from a consumer point of view.

Today, we can buy super premium items everywhere. Coffee, wine, beer, chocolate, and guitars come to mind.

But other less emotionally driven items have gone to crap.

Find a great shoe lately? Nope. A suit? Luggage? Furniture? All driven to the bottom.

Strange what we actually value and what we don't.

I hate the counterfeit stuff coming from China. Stuff looks like it should. Never works like it should. They are so good at counterfeitting its unreal. Its hard to know if the brand name item you buy is real or not.

Try SAS shoes

I buy stuff at yard sales a lot.

My biggest gripe with counterfeit parts is auto parts, which is why everything I buy comes from a authorized dealer. Ssame with bearings and seals and similar stuff. I go to the bearing house, hold the new part in my hands and inspect it before a sale is made.

Same thing with luxury goods. I wouldn't buy something from Rolex, LV, Hermes or whomever that didn't come from one of their stores.

I'm now in a phase of my life where I've bought all the durable goods and toys I'll ever want and am now downsizing and offloading most of it. You wake up one day and decide you don't need it all and don't want it all anyway.

I can live without the latest computer or TV just fine.

What are the replacement batteries for ?
I have batteries that are 6 years old and still working perfectly

I'd be happy if the ChiComms could manufacture an accurate phillips head screw. I've tried all different types/sizes of phillips bits and, no matter, they all seem to strip. Yeah, a big part is the crap metal, but there's something off on the size as well.

I have found that buying better screwdrivers helps. I like Vessel, from Japan.

China does make a lot of crap, and a lot of counterfeit stuff. For that they should be called out and held accountable. But at the end of the day it's us in the US and other developed nations who are just as at fault. China is just as capable of making anything to any quality standard that is required. Many high quality, high tech components and end items are made there. It's just we, as a society, are always looking for something cheaper. Chinese companies are happy to make anything at any price point. It's not their fault that we choose the lowest price point 90% of the time, so they flood the market with parts/components/assemblies/end items that are crap. IF we insisted on quality 'stuff' they'd make it, but it would be much closer to the price of parts made here so we're not interested.

Fail rates are often written into the contract.

Our cultural mindset is to do the best, exceed expectations.
Their cultural mindset, it says 5% can be duds, so make sure we ship 5% as duds.
The quality will be based first and foremost on what is asked.

My culture enjoys doing better than is asked.
It can take some adjustment.

The last thing under my control is my wallet, and where I spend my money. The rest is a personal choice.

Haven’t bought anything from HF in more than a year.

I’ll buy used tools over new. If new, country of origin is the first thing I check.

Someone mentioned Phillips, yup already tossed the HF crap and gotten some quality used Craftsman.

I have wondered how America can support and improve our manufacturing sector. Losing the manufacturing industry means eventual economic mediocrity at the very least. America is addicted to cheap Chinese products while in fact buying American can help America and also potentially save you money. Personally, I have grown steadily less fond of cheap products throughout my lifetime. The quality stuff I have bought is sill in service and performing excellently. In the long run, this has saved me money and aggravation.

China looks at us like the goose with golden eggs. China will continue to flood us with cheap junk until we’re exhausted.

At the point when China decides our maintenance is too costly, it will kill the American dollar.

Running up trillions in debt while printing billions per month means we have a long way to go before the cash pipeline from us to China dries up.

We’ve been infiltrated. When DJT talks about China eating our lunch it is not hyperbole. I do believe China has been the unseen hand steering us toward oblivion on China’s timeline. As such, I believe the irrational exuberance in hating DJT is like everything else: Made In China.

How's that high end German Made BMW working our for ya or Benz for that matter? My I phone is working fine so its my computer screen. Its our fault that we continue to buy them so they provide it, just like the illegal drugs coming from the south of the border. I hate cheap siht.

I had a potential client said to me, about cheap Chinese built cabinets and service has gone out the door in America. I said to her, we make cabinets here in LA using certified materials from the Pacific Northwest. Every single piece of plywood has a stamp on it. After I gave her a rough price, she was floored calling me a thief for ripping her off because she's a woman. My reply was, you can breath that poison off gas from their material if you choose, your choice. She threw me out the door. Thank goodness for that. many People will complain all day, but are not willing to pay for quality. Human nature, I suppose?

Go ride in that high speed train they build over there come back and tell me about their quality.

Chinese firms will make to whatever spec. you desire.

Most desire lowest possible prices.

How about alternator and starter rebuilders? A dying breed.

Remans from China with lifetime warranty. BFD. Except YOU pay for the labor.

"It's very well made in Taiwan"

if you don't want to buy from the mainland

I just had my kid's 4 runner started rebuilt by a local guy. Hispanic dude uses cheap Chinese parts. I ended up buying the parts from another place and had him do the work. Still he charger me 60 bucks like he normally would only with the crappy parts. Now the better question is, why can we rebuilt a original GM power steering gear box without having to pay 1300.00 for a racing bomb proof box?

Allegedly awesome shoes can be had at the right thrift shops. For less awesome, Allen Edmonds still does some US made work. Same for Hickey Freeman on suits. Alden shoes of course but you're getting into some dollars there...

Luggage? IDK - but Osprey, Eagle Creek and Briggs & Riley have awesome warranties. I think most of them have a "shoot it, drag it from an elephant, whatever" policy. Delta airlines gifted me a broken, supposedly unbreakable, B&R suitcase. They didn't exactly give me a new one for free, but they did give that price on a new one.

Something we agree on.

Taiwan use to make a bunch of junk also, but they have gotten much better over the years. Japan started it first and the Korean and Taiwanese were next. I just saw a Utube vid on Chinese bicycle components. Cheaply priced, but they seem to work ok according to the tester. I wouldn't put them on my race bike, but for general riding to the park or Starbucks, sure, why not? Shimano DuraAce group is 3500 bucks. The cheap Chinese knock off is 1300 bucks. What's not to like. Yes, we keep feeding the monster, but without the feed, they can't advanced. We are going run ourselves into the sand bar and get stuck there one day with the Chinese. They will have us by the balls.

They've had us by the balls for awhile now. With heir fang fangs dug right in.

Well not us, really. But Eric Swallwell and Hunter Biden for sure. Maybe even Diane Feinstein. Oh wait, she doesn't have...nah...her, too. Ya never know about these people.

China has taken the playbook of a 1980s drug dealer. The ‘goods’ are cheap, almost free so we buy them for a fraction the cost of local product. The reality is that North American companies can’t even buy the material to make this stuff for what it retails for from China.

Let this sink in.

They are obtaining the raw materials, adding value through various manufacturing processes, then it passes through at least 1 middleman (Amazon or whoever), then it is shipped half way around the world for an all in cost less than the materials are worth.

The Chinese government is subsidizing this dumping with the end game of choking out all other countries who manufacture. At that point, there will be no other option (in some cases, there already isnt).

Yep. They can sell a whole sinkbase cabinet, for example for under 350 bucks. 350 bucks will get me 2.5 piece of plywood.

you just described what Amazon and HomeDepot are doing to all the other smaller business within N America.

Money makes the world go around now that they have it, some of our hands are in the cookie jars.

These guys, the Chinese, aint dumb. They have been world power not once but many times over the many centuries and if we don't think it will happen again in the near future, we better sleep with only one eye closed.

I went to a sale of the machinery being sold off in the last of the big factories here in Wellington. In the 1970's we made just about everything, and I loved the big factories. I worked in about six of them. Great employers, everyone got paid well.

I bought a couple of engineers tables, slightly as souvenirs, slightly because I wanted the tables. But it was nice to remember the day of when you bought something it really would last as you would expect it to last. AND some local people made a living by making it for you.

Back in the day it was considered very lower class to work in the factories - but I loved it. Now it's almost a badge of honour to have worked in them, with the dislike of all the Chinese crap that comes into the country and into the land fill/dump before the year is out.

If you want quality, buy direct from the manufacturer. Amazon is full of fake stuff that looks like the real thing. They use the product code of the original, so it will show pictures of the real thing. But it is junk.

This pretty much sums it up. This is China Incorporated we're dealing with here. And having no qualms about stealing intellectual property, permitting unsafe and unhealthy working conditions, or poisoning the environment, it's only a matter of time until they attain their goal. In many areas, highly regulated Western manufacturing processes simply can't complete. The Chinese are patient and very good at playing the long game, while we here in the West are more focused on short-term outcomes.

And as already mentioned, we're all at fault for letting this happen. It seems that no one cares about quality any more...consumers just want to buy everything as cheaply as possible. If the thing breaks or wears out after using it once or twice, so what. Just go out and get another one.

This is World War 4.

WW3 was the cold war with Russia.

Yes, where are these young kids with their social media when you need them. Bring it on kids - start a world wide boycott of anything and everything made in China.

I will only buy Chinese made when there is no other options which is very rare.
One option we can all choose is to ask yourself: Do I really need this?

- Is there a Smart Phone that is not made in China?

http://https://www.cashify.in/top-10-non-chinese-smartphones-to-buy-in-2020

I've been doing it for decades! And you may be surprised at how easy it is to do. Honestly I think I've saved money in the long run.

And finally, this has nothing to do with the Chinese people but I will not knowingly support the CCP.
Do I really need to list why?

Back in the days before digital photography I worked in a professional photo lab. We made photographic prints for our customers. When Wal Mar came along they were selling 4x6 color prints to the customer at a cost that was less than our cost for the piece of photographic material buying direct from Kodak with our dealership license.

They could sell a 4x6 print for a nickle. Just the paper was 6 cents for us. Much less the printer which was a 40K machine we needed to expose the print from the negative, the 25K paper processor, and the expensive chemicals the water and employees needed to mix the chemistry and run the printer. That was the start of the end to that business. Digital just drove a stake through the heart of it. And at the time we charge 60 cents for a 4x6 color print. Our print was a good quality proper color print. The Wal mart print was whatever the machine spit out and might be horrid color balance, but it was CHEAP!

Same here. Immersed myself in the wonderful world of tool boxes over the last few days. It's eye opening how bad the domestic tool box manufacturing industry has been destroyed by cheap product dumping from China and Vietnam.

There's only one or two actual domestic manufacturers with factories on US Soil anymore, several years ago there were many more- Waterloo (people who make CMan boxes) started a lawsuit to put tariffs on imported boxes that big box retailers (Lowes Home Depot) sell. Waterloo industries started the action.


https://toolguyd.com/what-will-happen-to-pricing-of-tool-chests-cabinets-combos-and-mobile-workbenches/

Anyhow, I bought a Chinese made Homak simply because the only American made affordable boxes (Big box retail) are junk and I didn't want to spend on a Snap On.

Tool porn pics

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What kind of car is that next to the toolbox ?

China courted every single US manufacturer in a certain energy effecient segment.
A particular componet, no option.
As of a few years ago, the last shut down here and opened there.
When we can afford it, we'll make it ourselves.
Even Japan, Korean, etc, still pay a Chinese tarrif as they are importing aspects from China.

70 LeMans Sport- 455 pontiac inside. Finally got motivation to do things to it. It's an eternal project.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613759945.jpg