Good point!

That’s one of the toughest parts about this business.

The owner assumes the designer has done what’s convenient and protects the designer at the owner’s expense.

The owner turns to the builder to find a more cost effective way. In the frenzied pace that large jobs operate under, this can have catastrophic results.


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Looks like OKC

Just saw some video at ground level. Sure looks like some sort of foundation settlement issue from that view.

You guys that mentioned sinking might be right...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2021/06/24/researcher-high-rise-that-collapsed-had-been-sinking-at-alarming-rate/

Update 3 confirmed dead.

Today I learned:



When the Oklahoma City bombing happened, my wife, a nurse, bought a plane ticket and flew there. She pronounced 91 people dead, a medical person had to examine them and pronounce them. She said it was awful. For her to say that, given her experiences in various hospitals, ICU, CCU, Emergency Departments and being first on scene at accidents, well, awful to her is more than I ever want to see.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624587325.jpg

Wow.

Please thank your wife for me.

Unfortunately it is now 4 confirmed dead and 159 unaccounted for ☹️ . Sad situation for all involved .

Interesting information in the story....

https://news.yahoo.com/collapsed-miami-condo-sinking-earth-181026431.html

And another about the people that lived there....

https://news.yahoo.com/collapsed-florida-building-drew-global-040003955.html


"Argentines Dr. Andres Galfrascoli, his husband, Fabian Nuñez, and their 6-year-old daughter, Sofia, had spent Wednesday night there at an apartment belonging to a friend, Nicolas Fernandez.

Galfrascoli, a Buenos Aires plastic surgeon, and Nuñez, a theater producer and accountant, had come to Florida to get away from a COVID-19 resurgence in Argentina and its strict lockdowns. They had worked hard to adopt Sofia, Fernandez said. “Of all days, they chose the worst to stay there,” Fernandez said. “I hope it’s not the case, but if they die like this, that would be so unfair.”

They weren't the only South Americans missing. Foreign ministries and consulates of four countries said 22 nationals were missing in the collapse: nine from Argentina, six from Paraguay, four from Venezuela and three from Uruguay.

The Paraguayans included Sophia López Moreira — the sister of first lady Silvana Abdo and sister-in-law of President Mario Abdo Benítez — and her family.

Israeli media said the country's consul general in Miami, Maor Elbaz, believes that 20 citizens of that country are missing."

Horrible. I wonder if soil liquefaction triggered the final moments. I read on initial notes from people on the ground that there were issues with massive pool leaks.

A lot of things have come to light about the building in the last 24 hours. Seems to have many factors that may have come into place to create the "prefect storm" causing the collapse. A combination of improper roof loading, possible pool leaks, foundation settlement, possible salt erosion of rebar/tension cables and concrete, and who know what else.

I saw an interview this morning of a family where the mother was in the condo and is missing. The father was out of town. All the kids were grown and to hear them talk about her was so sad.

My gut tells me that when the investigation is over it comes down to soil erosion and rusted structural steel encased in the concrete . The salt air never sleeps it corrodes 24/7 .

OMG. i heard about this earlier and forgot to google it to see pics.

that is wild!! buildings are designed to not catastrophically fail. at least that is the idea. i wonder if there was any precursors? cracks, noises, doors that jam tight, etc.

i wish the area well.

Such a sad story. The folks working that site are very courageous working in those conditions.

I've had friends living in Seattle area condos that failed but with different construction methods and conditions. Luckily they didn't get to the point where the failures were catastrophic. In one friends case the building did have to be demolished and it was less than 25 years old at the time. The litigation between condo association, builder and insurance company lasted years.

I'm amazed to read that the salt air is able to migrate into the concrete that deeply. That's a terrifying reality. Even if 50 souls have been lost to this tragedy, that number is mercifully low compared to the death toll that would have resulted from a fully occupied building.

Really a situation of cracks in the concrete allow water to enter and the rebar may not have proper concrete coverage and it is too close to the surface. One thing leads to another....

It’s the humidity in that air that conducts it so well.


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