Long Covid And Inplications

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

I am now trying to rehab my lung capacity, by staying active, and pushing myself, but it's a long slow road. I still work full time, cut firewood, hike/bike, and kayak, but everything seems harder now.

It sounds like you are on the right track to getting back to good health Mr Kelly. Good luck with it!

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by jyl

Doctors are wrong. Variants with a certain mutation (E484K, found in Brazil / P1 / Gamma variant) can reinfect persons who previously had the original strain of Covid. In parts of Brazil, reinfection has been widespread. The mRNA vaccines are quite protective against Gamma and all known strains.

What is the definition of re-infection? A Positive COVID test? Or actual Symptoms?

In the US, most of the people with a "re-infection" simply have a positive COVID test. This means they were exposed and the body fought it off with the developed anti-bodies.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by red-beard

What is the definition of re-infection? A Positive COVID test? Or actual Symptoms?

In the US, most of the people with a "re-infection" simply have a positive COVID test. This means they were exposed and the body fought it off with the developed anti-bodies.

The main E484K variant, so-called P1/BrazilGamma, is not that common in the US - yet?

Where it is , such as in Brazil, reinfection has manifested in severe illness. See Lancet article Jan 2021 - more may have been learned subsequent.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext

"By contrast, in Manaus, Brazil, a study of blood donors indicated that 76% (95% CI 67–98) of the population had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 by October, 2020.2 High attack rates of SARS-CoV-2 were also estimated in population-based samples from other locations in the Amazon Basin—eg, Iquitos, Peru 70% (67–73).3 The estimated SARS-CoV-2 attack rate in Manaus would be above the theoretical herd immunity threshold (67%), given a basic case reproduction number (R0) of 3.4

In this context, the abrupt increase in the number of COVID-19 hospital admissions in Manaus during January, 2021 (3431 in Jan 1–19, 2021, vs 552 in Dec 1–19, 2020) is unexpected and of concern (figure).5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 After a large epidemic that peaked in late April, 2020, COVID-19 hospitalisations in Manaus remained stable and fairly low for 7 months from May to November, despite the relaxation of COVID-19 control measures during that period (figure).

There are at least four non-mutually exclusive possible explanations for the resurgence of COVID-19 in Manaus.

. . .

Third, SARS-CoV-2 lineages might evade immunity generated in response to previous infection.15 Three recently detected SARS-CoV-2 lineages (B.1.1.7, B.1.351, and P.1), are unusually divergent and each possesses a unique constellation of mutations of potential biological importance.16, 17, 18 Of these, two are circulating in Brazil (B.1.1.7 and P.1) and one (P.1) was detected in Manaus on Jan 12, 2021.16 One case of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection has been associated with the P.1 lineage in Manaus19 that accrued ten unique spike protein mutations, including E484K and N501K.16 Moreover, the newly classified P.2 lineage (sublineage of B.1.128 that independently accrued the spike E484K mutation) has now been detected in several locations in Brazil, including Manaus.20"

[jyl]

The mRNA vaccines are effective against E484K variants like Gamma. While neutralizing antibody levels are multiple-fold lower than against original Wuhan strain, real-world protection appears strong (very strong for severe disease).

Thus the "strategy" of relying on immunity through previous Covid infection is bad, and the doctor who advised it is giving bad advice. Right now, if group911's friend gets exposed to SARS2 virus - as he surely will, since masking/distancing is rapidly ending - it is most likely to be Delta, but there is a 10% chance it will be to P1/Brazil/Gamma whose ability to reinfect and hospitalize him is pretty clear. Not to say that he is actually immune to reinfection with Delta, the data just isn't available yet. For him to refuse vaccination is simply stupid, on his doctor's part and his own part.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

[Tobra]

I must say, the Chinese sure did cook up a nasty bug.

[group911@aol.co]

And we're apparently not smart enough to deal with it properly- still. What's our latest conspiracy? Magnetizes you- brilliant

Originally Posted by Tobra

I must say, the Chinese sure did cook up a nasty bug.

[pwd72s]

Let's all do our best to scare everybody spitless...then we can all stay home for the rest of out limited lifespans, wear masks, and wait for those smart inside the beltway people to save us!

Fug it! After too many months of Kommisar Kate of Oregon and her shutdowns, I'm done with it all. I did the vaccine...I'm busting out. No mask. I've already made it past the average male death age, so figure I'm ahead of the game, and I'm owed the year plus that the overzealous Government officialdom robbed me of.

Fauci and his believers can kiss my patootie!

[thor66]

https://www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/article/spanish-flu-second-wave-san-francisco-1918-15803570.php

[jyl]

I think that, if one has been fully vaccinated with one if the mRNA vaccines, then masks are largely optional.

If you’re frequently exposed to many others in close quarters, especially if they are particularly likely to be Covid infected - e.g. you’re a health care worker, or you live in Mississppi :-) - then you should wear a mask. But in ordinary life in a state that is making good vaccination progress and is not having a Covid surge, maskless is fine.

I’m personally still carrying a N95, KN95 or KN94 mask with me, and wear it if I’m going to be indoors in a crowded place, then I’ll wear it. But otherwise I’m not wearing a mask much.

If you’re likely to not be well protected by vaccination - genuinely immunocompromised, say - then I’d mask up more.

If you’re especially vulnerable or medically fragile, or if getting Covid would be pretty catastrophic - e.g. no medical insurance, etc - then I’d consider masking up more.

If a new variant proves vaccine-evading, or if data shows that vaccine protection declines before boosters are available, or other situations, then I’d re-assess.

[red-beard]

Anything but an N95 is worthless for you to protect yourself.

[rsrguy]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I must say, the Chinese sure did cook up a nasty bug.

Don't forget little Tony... That d-bag ought to be given a complimentary dose of ebola...
Meanwhile I'm exhausted every damn day whether I work or don't..

[jyl]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Anything but an N95 is worthless for you to protect yourself.

KN95 and KN94 are equivalent.

[island911]

Long Covid...

Long Covid vaccine...

Weird that people -armed with data on children's resistance to Covid- have no fear of what an experimental vaccine will do (long term) to their developing children.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by island911

Long Covid...

Long Covid vaccine...

Weird that people -armed with data on children's resistance to Covid- have no fear of what an experimental vaccine will do (long term) to their developing children.

What you call “children’s resistance” is increasingly looking like an incomplete picture, as data on long Covid in children accumulates. On the other hand, the vaccines in (young) children are still being studied and if you demand ten year followup data, well, you’ll wait ten years for it. Definitely a conundrum.

[island911]

Originally Posted by jyl

What you call “children’s resistance” is increasingly looking like an incomplete picture, ....

other than knowing that they do not seem to get or pass the disease... So of course that is being looked at. Their protection seems to be better than immune response.

Early on in this saga the China virus was dubbed "Boomer eraser" for the seemingly targeted demographic while leaving the younger unscathed. (unless they had underlying issues).

Still, many have the mindset that if the vaccine is tested in children for a few months that everything is done and "Safe" is stamped on to the experimental vaccine. ...to give to those who seem to not need it. --considering some epic medical failures of the past... Hey, what happened to "Above all, do no harm." (?)

[island911]

It could very well settle out that this vaccine is like a shingles vaccine, but for people once they pass the 60y/o mark. (or are obese, have diabetes...)

I mean, we don't give shingles vaccine to toddlers do we? So why push this CV vaccine on children?

[bahman]

I am 78, in very good health, and very active. I am now retired with ample time to really dig into the history, evolution, and current concerns re Covid-19. The following is a distillation of my research, showing the most credible and authoritative information I have come across, offering it here as a token of good will. There will probably many who will disagree with the contents, but I am hoping that the spirit of free and open communications would prevail.

Interview by Dr. Bryan Ardis and Brannon Hawse (video)
https://rumble.com/vi93cv-fda-cover-up-they-knew-about-deadly-vax-side-effects.html


Dr. Bryan Ardis and Medical Panel (video)
https://www.facebook.com/graceasagra/videos/2888381451490454/

Manuscript of forthcoming book by Dr. Peter Breggin: Covid-10 and The Global Predators (We are the prey)
https://p.weebly.com/136610893/cb200d2aa3/Covid_19_and_the_Global_Predators_62021.pdf

If the links are not clickable, hold down the Control key and click, or copy and paste into your browser.

[porsche4life]

If you search long enough you can find any crack pot who shares the conspiracy you want to hear. Just because it confirms your theory doesn’t make it true. If it’s only being shared in a Facebook post or a website you’ve never heard of, Id encourage you to keep doing research.

Look for medical journals, scientific studies, or news stories covered by reputable sources.

[jyl]

Read more about “children’s resistance” before you declare children at no risk.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/10/as-more-kids-get-long-covid-doctors-still-cant-predict-who-is-at-risk/

[group911@aol.co]

Still peddling fear is see.
[ QUOTE=island911;11387487]Long Covid...

Long Covid vaccine...

Weird that people -armed with data on children's resistance to Covid- have no fear of what an experimental vaccine will do (long term) to their developing children.[/QUOTE]