The vaccine

[upsscott]

1392 humans died in the US from Covid on 8/23/21. Your argument Island, is completely insane. I have no doubt that you are probably an intelligent man normally but you are either really gullible or just a follower to believe the way you do. Or, and this is what I believe, you just get a stiffy by playing the devils advocate in all things Internet related because it makes you feel significant. We all know you have long been vaccinated.

[speeder]

[IROC]

Regarding Island:

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I'm pretty sure most here can tell you're full of crap. There's some ad hominem for you. If you have some time, check into psychological projection.

Absolutely. He is just wasting people's time. IMO his posts are not even worthy of responses. I just skip over them. No value.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by island911

Yet we see so many vaccinated going to the hospital. -that's pretty harsh.

Stop spreading lies, you lying piece of shiit.
Gullible fcking moron

Analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C., shows.
Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states,
and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.

A CDC study found that unvaccinated people in Los Angeles County were 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated.

[Chocaholic]

Meanwhile the number of cases in fully vaccinated people is climbing. In the news and in our neighborhoods...two in mine.

As I understand, the data Sugar is referencing is from May/June, prior to Delta spreading.

Funny how you resort to insults rather than a dialogue. Says a lot about each of you.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I've been providing links to document what I state. I have politely asked you questions about why you believe what you state and to provide proof. You have not. Honestly, I think you're an idiot. Full of false conspiracy theories. You think what you say is fact just because you say it. I'm pretty sure most here can tell you're full of crap. There's some ad hominem for you. If you have some time, check into psychological projection.

You, Steve Carlton are the reason for vaccine skepticism. When confronted with someone who doesn’t fall in line, the personal insults and degradation rears it’s ugly head. Almost like clockwork.

A thinking person would welcome, consider and discuss opposing perspectives. A brainwashed parrot would ridicule and insult. Zero credibility. This thread is chock full.

[javadog]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/alleged-leaked-contract-pfizer-country-albania-shows-pfizer-charging-us-one-half-times-covid-vaccine-countries/

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by javadog

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/alleged-leaked-contract-pfizer-country-albania-shows-pfizer-charging-us-one-half-times-covid-vaccine-countries/

We paid more because we wanted to be first in line. I guess we could have delayed 90% of the shipment until the 3rd and 4th quarter to get a lower price.

Albanian contract
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20616251-albanian-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-contract



And we get Moderna cheaper than the EU.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281
That principle has also been applied to the biggest players. The EU financially supported the development of the BioNTech and Pfizer vaccine and has obtained a lower price per dose ($14.70 than the US ($19.50). The Moderna vaccine’s development was subsidised by the US government, and it will cost the US about $15 a dose, while the EU is paying $18.

[Sooner or later]

Albania signed their contract in Jan 6th, 2021
US signed their initial contract on July 22nd, 2020

Who was in charge and agreed to pay that much higher price?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

You, Steve Carlton are the reason for vaccine skepticism. When confronted with someone who doesn’t fall in line, the personal insults and degradation rears it’s ugly head. Almost like clockwork.

A thinking person would welcome, consider and discuss opposing perspectives. A brainwashed parrot would ridicule and insult. Zero credibility. This thread is chock full.

I tried that and am giving up. I'm not the first to insult anyone, and I won't be the last. You yourself are a rich source of disinformation. Funny how you can insult people, then dismiss name calling when it comes out. Well, I'm sorry, but island911 is the Mt. Everest of stupidity on this forum. I have asked him straightforward questions repeatedly, only to get crickets. Enough. A spade will be called a spade.:

In response to jyl's absolutely accurate post #2 on 7/30, an insult from you:

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Of course, the statement above in bold is complete and utter Bravo Sierra. In fact, we humans have rather robust immune systems that work just fine in most cases. That’s why some 98% of the population does not get seriously sick with the virus.

It’s great to have even more internet “experts” on board though. I had JYL pegged as a pretty sharp financial guy. Now virology. Who knew?

Awesome!

More gems from Chocaholic (in this thread):

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

I do all those things yet I’m vaccinated.

Please explain before your head explodes with more wild assumptions.

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Meanwhile…the infection rate went up dramatically consistent with mask use. Now we see the infection rate rapidly going up along side the increasing vaccination rate.

Gee…whatever happened to things like science? And math? Once the Fauci-lovers mantra. Now, despite the science (data), it’s become all emo. Shut up and get the shot…while wearing your little paper mask…and quit asking questions!

So much for science.

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Ok, so now that it’s clear that vaccines don’t work…how are we expected to believe they’ll make us less sick if we catch the virus? There’s no way to know how sick one would get with or without. So, we should all roll up our sleeves…on faith alone?

[island911]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Stop spreading lies, you lying piece of shiit.
Gullible fcking moron

Analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C., shows.
Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states,
and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.

A CDC study found that unvaccinated people in Los Angeles County were 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated.

You realize that 0.1% of millions is how we got into this viral fear mode, right? - 0.1% of millions is a lot of people.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

You, Steve Carlton are the reason for vaccine skepticism. When confronted with someone who doesn’t fall in line, the personal insults and degradation rears it’s ugly head. Almost like clockwork.

A thinking person would welcome, consider and discuss opposing perspectives. A brainwashed parrot would ridicule and insult. Zero credibility. This thread is chock full.

Yup. Their emotions are off the chart. The slightest criticism of any one of the CV vaccines and they lose their minds.

Hey, maybe it's a side effect of one of the CV vaccines.

[javadog]

I find it odd that Steve Carlton is criticizing Chocaholic for his contributions in this thread. Mr. Carlton hasn’t posted a single factual argument about the vaccine in the entire thread.

I would go back and quote him but he knows what he posted.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I've been providing links to document what I state. I have politely asked you questions about why you believe what you state and to provide proof. You have not. Honestly, I think you're an idiot. Full of false conspiracy theories. You think what you say is fact just because you say it. I'm pretty sure most here can tell you're full of crap. There's some ad hominem for you. If you have some time, check into psychological projection.

Originally Posted by island911

You didn't? - yeah, that fits.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/21/1030046222/rev-jesse-jackson-hospitalized-covid-19

Are you suggesting that NPR is " false conspiracy theories" ? ^

BTW, you don't think I'm an idiot. You WANT to imagine/paint me as an idiot to sooth your cognitive dissonance.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I tried that and am giving up. I'm not the first to insult anyone, and I won't be the last. You yourself are a rich source of disinformation. Funny how you can insult people, then dismiss name calling when it comes out. Well, I'm sorry, but island911 is the Mt. Everest of stupidity on this forum. I have asked him straightforward questions repeatedly, only to get crickets. Enough. A spade will be called a spade.:
..:

oh, I just saw this.

Do go on. The Steve Carlton Flail-fest is really something.

Better add to the CV vax SIDE EFFECTS: Uncontrollable rage when challenged.

Which jab(s) did you get?

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Huh?

I can tell you first hand this chart is not correct near where I live.

One hospital, according to staff, had over 80% of hospitalizations were vaccinated but the news reported them as having 90% unvaccinated.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

I find it odd that Steve Carlton is criticizing Chocaholic for his contributions in this thread. Mr. Carlton hasn’t posted a single factual argument about the vaccine in the entire thread.

I would go back and quote him but he knows what he posted.

Odd that you consider Chocaholic's posts "contributions."

Take a look in the "Vaccines are moving the needle..." thread. Let me know what you think.
Posts 62, 65, 66, 70, 78, 83, 86 (with link), 90, 98, 109, 111, 112 (with link), 115, 117, 123 (request for links), 141 & 142 (questions (unanswered)), 153 (with link), 156, 157, 162, 166, 168, 178 (with link), 180 (question unanswered), 187 (with links), 189

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Odd that you consider Chocaholic's posts "contributions."

At the risk of repeating myself, I was referring to you criticizing him for his contributions in this thread, when you have made none yourself... apart from criticizing other people, without backing those claims up.

The irony was too good to pass up.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

You realize that 0.1% of millions is how we got into this viral fear mode, right? - 0.1% of millions is a lot of people.

No. We did not get into fear mode from breakthrough infections. Please check on the percentages of unvaccinated vs vaccinated in the hospital and let us know what you think we should be in fear of.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by island911

oh, I just saw this.

Do go on. The Steve Carlton Flail-fest is really something.

Better add to the CV vax SIDE EFFECTS: Uncontrollable rage when challenged.

Which jab(s) did you get?

No rage- just frustration with complete stupidity. I got Pfizer. How about you?