Statins and COVID

[Chocaholic]

Because I was referencing oldE’s comment, not yours.

I got the first Pfizer shot in March before going to visit my elderly dad. It was an emotional decision. He has since passed away. I did not get the second one and have no plans to.

Note: My family doctor supports my decision.

[Gogar]

My comment wasn't really about any particular therapeutic idea, I was more yammering about the environment that seems to be shouting down most potential theraputics straight away and hammering the vaccine narrative.

You would think the public would welcome any and all experimentation and discovery from the medical community that results in an effective therapeutic treatment, especially as we realize the vaccines are helpful but not foolproof.

[Steve Carlton]

What potential therapeutics are being shouted down besides Ivermectin (and in the past hydroxychloroquine, bleach, and light under the skin)? I believe it's being investigated, as it does get a lot of support. There's a value in not following red herrings IMO.

I think there are several therapeutics out there, but nothing that holds a candle to monoclonal antibodies. I'm hoping to not need anything by being vaccinated. To me, it's good for avoiding getting infected, and with the avoidance of hospitalization and death, it's functionally a prophylactic antidote or cure.

[Chocaholic]

Until it mutates again.

D’oh!

[Sooner or later]

Ivermectin hasn't been proven to be effective.

At least two large double blind studies are ongoing. The TOGETHER trial has finished up. Preliminary data shows no help. Final report will be issuing the near future. The UK PRINCIPLE trial has not released results.

There are 6,640 studies that have been completed or are ongoing related to COVID-19. Many are on therapeutics.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19

Remdesivir has been proven to be effective and has full authorization.
Monoclonal antibody treatments have been proved effective and 2 have been issued an EUA. A third had it's EUA pulled because it was ineffective after more complete data was compiled.
Veklury (antiviral) has EUA.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/emergency-preparedness-drugs/coronavirus-covid-19-drugs

Statin might be of promise. Each study I have read states that there were other influences that might be more of the cause of improvement than the Statin itself. More trials are in the works.

Actual effective treatments are hard to come by. Treatments tend to reduce symptoms more than actually treat the disease.

We don't have effective treatments for chicken pox or measles. For the most part we treat the symptoms. We have Tamiflu for the flu, though it's actual effectiveness is questionable.

Meta studies are only as good as the studies that are included. Many of the included studies (both pro and con) are small, not double blind, or flawed.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Until it mutates again.

D’oh!

So far, there has been good effectiveness and protection from the mutations, primarily Delta. Delta is a lot more likely to breakthrough a vaccination, and many like to think it's a failure because of that. It's still a huge success, especially in terms of protection. The sooner the vast majority of us are vaccinated, and then the rest of the world, the sooner this dies down like small pox, polio, etc..

[Rtrorkt]

Originally Posted by Gogar

My comment wasn't really about any particular therapeutic idea, I was more yammering about the environment that seems to be shouting down most potential theraputics straight away and hammering the vaccine narrative.

You would think the public would welcome any and all experimentation and discovery from the medical community that results in an effective therapeutic treatment, especially as we realize the vaccines are helpful but not foolproof.

But the yammering as you characterize it is coming from the flat earth folks. If everyone would just shut up, listen to those doing the research, maybe we could have reasoned conversation. Animal medicine, really? Cholesterol reducing medicine? Grasping at straws?

I am stunned by the idea that folks would self medicate with unproven crap because someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn express has decided they are an expert.

Full disclosure, I have both Pfizer shots and will get the 3rd

[Gogar]

Sure, but 'grasping at straws' is until it isn't.

And turns out the "horse medicine" isn't horse medicine at all and it's been prescribed hundreds of millions of times for a number of diseases. It's probably not helping for this, but it's because doctors TRY IT that we will find out. I would like for them to try, without getting chastised by Don Lemon or Joy Behar.

I'm vaccinated and I take Crestor so I'm bulletproof! I don't have any horse medicine though.

[Rtrorkt]

^^ so we are in violent agreement.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

If this is a re-post, my apologies.

Again, get the vax if you feel the need:

https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/confirmation-of-vaccine-associated

"If you cannot show me a peer-reviewed paper published in a corrupt medical journal backing your calculations of vaccine-associated mortality, I'm going to have to assume that these mafia organizations are telling the whole truth about their vaccine products without reviewing their data, and accepting the 0 in the mortality column that hasn't yet been studied." -Jeffrey Morris (paraphrasing)

To be fair, I'm not being fair. And it's not just him. It's a lot of very obtuse people who should show more responsibility from their positions. But I'm being mostly fair, and that's a lot fairer than they are.

Lots of charts and graphs, plus:

Except that it's not a consensus opinion, and the problem is that authorities who should be studying the problem seem happy to ignore it while refusing to answer emails discussing it. Also, science isn't conducted by consensus, even if The Science works that way amongst gatekeepers. All science and analyses should be published with an understanding the results are still always under discussion. Heck, it's still science and it's still debatable even when it hasn't been published or peer-reviewed. Peer review and publication are just steps intended to raise the status of results through experts who are supposed to understand what they're reading, and which has been thoroughly gamed over the years to the point that even the editor of the The Lancet complains that his journal industry is captured by pharmaceutical interests (in a "It's all corrupt, but no not me" kind of way).

It is all BS, of course, all written by hacks and slackers: MY folks are the scentists so debate is to be ignored.

"... science is a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us something is true ..."




Smart prescient folks.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

^^ so we are in violent agreement.

yessir!

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by pmax

"... science is a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us something is true ..."




Smart prescient folks.

Kary Mullis is being taken out of context here. First off, he died August 7, 2019, roughly 6 months before Covid became known and recognized as an outbreak. Also, sadly, it seems like he had issues.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/technology-history/man-who-photocopied-dna-and-also-saw-talking-fluorescent-raccoon

I don't know what's going on with Kostas Pramatias. Some Greek programmer with a YouTube channel with 41 subscribers. Posts this in February, 2021 to discredit Fauci?

Where did you get this crap, pmax? Facebook?

[unclebilly]

I’m going to break my own rule and post in this thread…

My neighbor is a nice guy, we run our cattle at each others pastures depending on what we need for genetics and compatibility with bulls. He is a rancher and an electrician and did the wiring my my shop and some in my house when I built it.

He took Ivermectin. I’m guessing he took 2 mL in a drink of water. I know he made himself horribly sick a few years ago when he gave himself a shot of oxymycene (tetracycline based vet med).

I can’t understand the thought process that a vaccine developed specifically for humans is less safe than a vet med where the manufacturer specifically says it is NOT safe for humans and further reccomend that an animal treated with that product not be slaughtered for human consumption for 14 days after treatment.

I get that people are scared, the various forms of media have done everyone a huge disservice, and people choose who they can trust based on political agendas rather than fact based reporting… Even if I was concerned about getting vaxed, I don’t think I would resort to vet meds, or some other unproven treatment because ‘you can’t trust what’s in that vaccination’ or ‘you don’t know the long term effects of those mRNA drugs’… YMMV. This IS a personal decision, we each get to choose our path here, I don’t disrespect those who choose to skip the vax or put vet meds into their bodies. That form of uncontrolled research is up to you.

From the Ivermectin label…


CAUTIONS

1. IVERMECTIN LIQUID for horses has been formulated specifically for use in horses only. The product should not be used in other animal species as severe adverse reactions, including fatalities in dogs, may result.

2. Some horses have experienced reactions with swelling and itching shortly after treatment. In most such cases, the horses have been diagnosed as carrying heavy infections of Onchocerca microfilariae, and it is assumed that the reactions were the result of microfilariae dying in large numbers. Although the signs have resolved spontaneously in a few days, symptomatic treatment may be advisable. Consult your veterinarian should these symptoms persist.

Warnings
Treated horses must not be slaughtered for use in food for at least 14 days after the latest treatment with this drug. Avoid smoking and eating while handling. Protect eyes from direct contact with the product and wash hands after used. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN.

[Gogar]

You are aware that there is prescription ivermectin for humans, right? For almost 50 years.

I give my dog gabapentin. I also have a friend who takes it. Is my friend taking dog medicine?

If your neighbor bought horse ivermectine at the store then yes he's a dumbass.

[unclebilly]

Yes. I am aware there is a human version of Ivermectin, my friend used the stuff from the vet like 1000s of others have…