Another point to note. If a squib (projectile) was stuck down the barrel and a blank (loaded with powder only) was the next shot fired, that sent it at deadly speeds out of the barrel, the amourer should have checked the barrel as part of her job. Hell she's standing around for 15 hours she might as well look inside the barrel as part of her procedures.

This was posted in the other thread about the subject:

Craigster. thanks for your expertise and insight on this. Clearly you are THE expert. and congratulations on such a distinguished career. I suspect that is tough to sustain in hollywood.

Mr. Craigster is being modest in this thread, (as usual), he is most definitely an industry expert.

And responded to, jdog:

If that actually happened, I think a sharp lawyer could make the case that there was malice, which takes us to murder. The threshold for conviction of murder is beyond a reasonable doubt. If they prosecute and overcharge he will probably be exonerated. E

However, even with a firearm he ‘knew’ to be loaded with blanks, saying what he said and then pulling the trigger is clearly gross, and quite possibly, criminal negligence.

We've talked quite a bit about whether Baldwin has liability as an actor.

Some have suggested he's liable as a producer. People get injured and killed during movie production, how often is a producer criminally prosecuted much less convicted? There's legal reasons why management doesn't get sent to jail for industrial accidents, in any industry.

As for civil liability, I have no doubt the victim's estate will and should recover handsomely, but from whom? I'd expect the production company has considerable insurance covering itself and individuals working on the film including producers, and someone like Baldwin should have a mountain of excess personal coverage as well.

At the end of the day, they need to figure out who loaded a gun on set with live ammunition - sounds like cap, blackpowder and ball here? EDIT that's unclear to me - and left it on the table, and where and why the safety procedures broke down.

Does "cold gun" on a movie set mean "I've handed you a firearm loaded with blanks?" I imagine that a gun loaded with blanks would be a "hot gun" and "cold gun" means "this gun is unloaded or a dummy weapon"? You couldn't very well reserve the term "hot gun" for a gun loaded with live ammunition since that shouldn't even exist on set.

Hot gun= Has one or more blanks

Cold gun= empty

You're exactly right. And for rehearsals you use a "cold" gun. You only make the gun"hot" when you're ready to film and it gets announced very loudly and any non essential personnel are moved a safe distance away, usually off stage or set.

But, obviously, live ammo did appear on the set, killed one and injured another, jyl. As such, somewhere along the line protocols were not followed. ‘Cold gun’ certainly could indicate the mistaken acknowledgment that the weapon had blanks and not live ammo, the whole point of the protocols, it seems to me, are to make sure no live ammo was in the gun, i.e., ‘cold’ equals no live ammo.

It seems to me, for a take on a scene involving the firing of a weapon, why would there not be blanks in the gun? I would think Baldwin fully expected there to be blanks in the gun. Apparently, Baldwin himself exclaimed in horror, ‘Why would somebody hand me a hot gun?’ or something similar. As such, it seems,‘hot’ is the common euphemism for loaded with live ammo and ‘cold’ being not loaded with live ammo.

To be honest, I think that when the camera crew walked they were just trying to come up with "insert shots" (short close ups of a pistol coming out of the holster, hand grabbing the gun, gun coming up, etc) to make a day of filming until the producers could negotiate with the crew to return and finish the film.

This seems right to me.

As Hugh stated

Cold = empty gun

Hot = blanks

SHTF = Someone brought live ammo on set

I’ll believe it was live ammo when the coroner and the SF police announce it.

That makes sense, of course.

The real mystery to be solved here is how did live ammo get on the set, get into the gun and finally past the ‘armorer’? Secondarily, the question is, why?

Good point.

Wouldn’t it be something if, somehow, the coroner and the police never announce what was in the gun? Talk about fomenting conspiracies!

Also FYI, we have "electric guns" but they are newer semi auto style weapons (Glocks, Sigs). They have an electric slide that ejects a shell and a "muzzle flash".

Those are usually used for interior scenes (Johnny on the sofa getting "2 behind the ear").

There is internet talk that the entire crew walked off the set (reasons unknown) that day, and replacements were put in charge.
There were supposedly previous accidental discharges while on set.
And the armorer didn't have a clue:
https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/woman-who-handled-weapons-on-baldwin-set-nervous-about-ability/

What a cluster..

Looks like I might have been right. You NEVER put live ammo in a "movie gun" for any reason. They are cleaned and locked in a gun safe after filming and rechecked before resuming filming the next day..

Looks like the armorer was a real piece of work. Who in the heck would hire someone like this to handle weapons on a set?

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