OLD revolver....hard to check each cylinder especially if you're Bob *****in on the set.

Saving your ass would require pulling out your contract and saying READ FUVKING HERE....

I read where it was cap and ball. It is not a modern pistol. Based on what Craigster stated, I will say that Baldwin is morally if not legally responsible for not checking before pulling the trigger. There is a cascade of errors or rules broken but, the final burden is on the butthead who pulled the trigger. Negligent Discharge = manslaughter?

The live ammo is disturbing but if the actor and director were not written in the script to be shot, then why would he point a prop firearm at them and shoot?
Playing around having fun?

It was the director and DP, (killed), but your point is 100% valid.

Info is coming in bits and piece but who knows if it is accurate.
I ready that he was "practicing his fastdraw" however keep in mind that some film scenes require the camera being in the person of the one being shot so a cold pistol would be pointed directly at the camera.

Purely guessing... I don't think it was a cap and ball because some film crew/cast members were doing live fire target practice with it. And they would never figure out how to load it. I'm guessing a single action old Colt or replica.

The only consistent thing is “old colt”. I saw some pics of a cap and ball navy. Got all excited. But now think it’s just a case of ignorant city boy/European reporters googling “old colt” and images. Most likely a peacemaker.

If it did turn out to be cap and ball the chances of a stovepipe bullet are much more understandable. I have a reproduction army model. You really have to pay attention or something will go wrong.

We’ve all seen the movie where to bad guy or whoever points a gun directly into the camera.

I’m told the safety conscious crew will have a piece of lexan covering everything but the camera lens. But that is assuming you only need protection from the muzzle blast of a blank. Doubt it would stop a real bullet.

We’ll find all this out over the next few months because the media needs to cover something other than the 400 Americans still in Afghanistan.

So, I have now heard that the prop gun in question was used by some of the crew for target shooting off set? How would a gun that is to be used in a movie get in the hands of several different people and used for target shooting with real ammo. That and all prop guns should be locked down/tagged out to prevent them from being handled by anyone other than the armorer and the actor.
If this is true, then it was very reckless behavior that should have never been allowed to happen.

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All weapons are cleaned, tagged and locked in a gun safe at the end of the day. On the commencement of the next days filming, they are rechecked and retagged and put away until use when they are again checked and loaded with blanks (if needed) only when ready to film. Rehearsals (which they were doing) is always done with an unloaded "cold" gun.

It's coming out that they had just returned from lunch. The gun should have been rechecked before any filming began. It sounds like they were just doing the camera's POV of Alec cross drawing the gun and bringing it up to camera level, no blanks should have been involved.

It was a 24 year old inexperienced armorer who should have never been given the responsibility of gun safety on set, pure and simple.

It was posted in an earlier article where an EFX guy from my union stated "As you leave Hollywood and travel across the country, safety practices get minimalized" or something to that effect.

When i started in the biz in 1987 it was mostly Vietnam vets, family members (nepotism), and surf bums working props and set dressing. There was still a bit of drinking and drugs but that mostly went away in the late 1970's. You worked hard, kept your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut, and got the job done.

Now, here comes my "Get off my lawn!" moment:

Today, the newer generation tend to be the green haired, tatted and pierced Liberal Arts majors.Good kids sure, but you need to get your nose out of your phone and save the Tweeting, Instagramming and Tik Tokking for later. Pay attention to the set and "continuity" If you're doing an Italian restaurant scene for example. What was the level of wine in the actor's glass? Did he take a bite of the breadstick in the scene? Were there crumbs on the table? All of these things are important for continuity since you don't always film in sequence.

Now, travel to a distant location and the crew they give you are "local hires" like you have on this film. I swear it sometimes looks like they held a Job Fair at the local ANTIFA chapter. Very inexperienced and it seems you spend more time teaching than working. But, the cream rises to the top and the good ones are invited or eventually make their way out to Hollywood and enjoy successful careers.

She’s not the only one in violation, though. The redundancy is there for a reason at which everyone who handled the weapon failed.

Obviously Baldwin had no training (even CCW training) to point the gun/any gun at someone you don't intend to shoot/kill.

1st rule of handing anyone a gun....both of you ensure that it is unloaded !

First off, not an Alec Baldwin fan. The guy has a terrible history of bad behavior. That being said, it’s hilarious how all the gun guys here want to see him burn so badly for this situation. There is literally no solid info about what went down other than what is being “leaked” to the “fake news media” you all hate so much. I wonder how bad you’d be wishing for Chuck Heston to burn back when he used to be alive if he was in this situation? I have to think Baldwin is in a pretty dark place right now knowing that he pulled the trigger that killed one and severely injured another. If it’s found that he didn’t follow protocol and was in fact grossly negligent, well then burn him at the stake. Until then, consider pumping the brakes a little.

Who told you he pulled the trigger, killed one and injured another?

I would wager if Heston had shot and killed one and injured another on a movie set after cutting corners, practicing a quick draw and violating all kinds of safety protocols you’d be ready to hang him high, no?

Just one question: Why is the idiot Tweeting about it? Surely he's lawyered up by now.

If the safety protocol on a movie set is the armorer has the final word of go/no go then I don't see how Baldwin is responsible . Remember the movie set is fake/not real so I would think normal operating procedure is they are working with props. An actor/actress is not the subject matter expert that role goes to armorer/safety officer .

I am NOT an expert and I AM a gun owner . But reading some of the replies on here from subject matter experts in the business it's obvious something major went wrong with safety procedures but I don't think it was Baldwin at fault . That's just my opinion . Like others I want to see what the investigation determines and ultimately who is held responsible . The more I read about the woman that was killed the sadder I get . She seemed like such a great person . Very sad .

If Baldwin was executive producer it WAS his responsibility.

This.

As an actor he depends upon the Armorer and prop master to open the breach, shine a light down the barrel and answer any questions about the operation of the weapon whether empty or loaded with blanks. That's where his responsibility ends.

The Assistant Director is not allowed to handle the gun, he can request evidence of it being unloaded and safe, but the transfer of the weapon is between the prop master/ Armorer and the actor.

As a producer he is completely responsible for allowing an unsafe set and hiring an inexperienced crew. Cutting corners compromises safety. Bottom line.

When we filmed "Oz, the Great and Powerful" in Detroit, it was a cluster fcuk. Local hires as propmakers (carpenters) who couldn't understand blueprints, let alone read. Didn't seem to understand that a 6:00 AM crew call didn't mean show up at 11, very hung over.

We found it cheaper to fly experienced crew in from LA, pay their per deim, and pay at or above scale.