Coronavirus vaccine
 

I have had 3 vaccine shots in les than a year. The administration is talking about a 4th!! I get all the shots because I’m old but what does this tell the anti vax people? It’s kind of like saying the vaccine does not work. What the heck is going on?

Had my third yesterday, been a pretty lousy day. I don't know either man.

Not another vaccine thread. https://media0.giphy.com/media/KOobS...pra6/giphy.gif

After about 70 pages of most recent covid thread du jour, this thread will quantum leap into THE new covid thread under the help of Al.

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That was the plan all along....Indefinite boosters.

My point is a forth shot on the way tells people they don’t work! Heck, 3 shots tell them it does not work. The administration says everyone needs to be vaccinated then federal judges stop the mandates! Sorry, just frustrating. The media says get vaccinated then the judges say no!

Dependant on big pharma.
Sounds like a good plan!!

I just recovered from covid.
Got it from somebody who was vaxd.
I had a 99.5 fever for 2 days, muscle aches for 2 days, and no smell/taste for 4 days.
He had 102 fever for a week and overall much worse off than me.
Weird, ehh?

Somewhere Island and Javadog are getting ready to pounce. It won’t be long now.

Lol

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hmm some free thinkers are questioning the marching orders....

Xenobots require several injections for full efficacy.

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It means the vaccine only lasts a few months, like most virus vaccines e.g. flu. That's different to bacterial ones like tb that last much longer.


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There are a number of vaccines for other diseases that require a sequence of multiple doses.

It may be that these particular vaccines work best with two doses several months apart, instead of two doses 20 days apart. There hasn’t been time to test all the different dosing schedules and figure out what is ideal. It is clear that the two initial doses in quick succession provide very good protection (in most people) for around six months, at which time, for best protection, a third shot (booster) is needed, and that booster raises neutralizing antibody levels by (if memory serves) around 40X.

We don’t yet know if this will end up being an annual shot, or if the three dose regime is all that is needed.

We also don’t know how much the Omicron variant reduces the vaccines’ protection, but it is likely that it does reduce it to some extent, hence all the more reason to get boosters.

It would be nice if we knew all this stuff, but we don’t yet. If you want to wait until everything is fully known, then you’ll have to wait for years. Best to take sensible steps in the meantime.

Yes, it's tough to not question the logic of the slippery-slope bait & switch from an unethical multi-billion $ industry that is not liable for death and damages from their "vaccine" product that does not even stop transmission. Does not even stop death.

But at least you can risk death by taking it.
And if the "vaccine " kills you then the virus can't. - Smrat....

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Sugar pills would have been more effective.... and less deadly

This virus has been circulating around for 2 years now. The first year had 37-38% exposure. Many never knew they had it. Year 2 has to put us well over 50% exposure.

It is quite possible that the only thing making the vaccines look even slightly viable is the overlap of natural immunity with vax'd. (at least some vax'd people will have strong immunity from actual contact/infection.)

So yeah, sugar pill may have been better.

When ant-vaxxers say a vaccine "doesn't work", they're saying it doesn't work 100% of the time, for 100% of people, for 100% of their life.

To which medical professionals say "well....., duh".

Straw man much?

Because what I hear them say is that there are risks. -well, duh. And yet the POTUS, among other pro-jabbers, have come out to say that these vaccines "are safe! Period!" - oh really. No exceptions?

I also hear the anti-CV -vax'ers, among others, say that the durability is more like a therapeutic than a typical vaccine. (got boosters?)

All in all, they are saying that these vaccines are riskier than any other mainstream vaccine, and that they are less effective than typical vaccines.

hey app, which vaccine campaign has killed the most people in modern medical history?

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Pfizer says they can make a vax for Omicron in about 100 days. I'm tired of shots and boosters.

Hey island, you’re a mod, why don’t you merge this thread with the other batshyt crazy anti-vax thread you post constantly on?

More like free-basing.

Since the vaccine is ineffective, it can never be used to reach herd immunity.
By ineffective, I mean it cannot keep up with the variants, and also cannot prevent transmission of the virus. All it can do is prevent severe illness in people at risk, with immunocompromised immune systems or co-morbidities.

Therefore, it should never be forced on the entire population, and be recommended only to people at risk.
Let natural immunity and cross-immunity take care of the rest. I am not an antivaxxer and got my two shots, but the buck stops here as far as I am concerned.

To be fair, I’d like to see this plot normalized to the number of vaccinated people.
It is evident that the number of deaths would be greater since the number of vaccinated is greater, but what about the number of deaths/1000 vaccinated?

Aaaaand,


Off to Parf we go.

So why is Fauci, and the government so hell bent on EVERYONE getting vaccinated ?
What Mrna chemistry in these shots that they mandate your choices away ?
Why is the media hiding adverse vaccine reactions ?
How many more new variants are they holding onto to scare everyone into complying ?

Xenobots


You will have to ask Johnson & Johnson. Here is their CS help line: (866) 565-2873


Tucker Carlson has reported extensively on this subject. It is interesting that his entire staff has been vaccinated. Maybe he gets a different vaccine than everytone else?


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I can get you a good discount deal on a 10-pack. You could just jab yourself every four-six months.

How about a 6-pack of Omnipollo Noa Pecan Mud Cake Stout?:D

Sure. Got a good Christmas deal on those. :)

The exact same thing that has been happening for the past 90 years. This is nothing new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
And on top of the similarity to the Flu vaccine, there are others that require boosters albeit much less frequency.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/rec-vac/index.html
The anti-vaxxers are going to believe what they want to believe. No matter what happens, they'll come up with a reason to maintain their stance.

I'm aware of an older couple who are grandparents. They refused to get vaccinated. Their daughter told them that they could not come visit and see their granddaughter unless they got vaccinated. They did not get vaccinated. They then had some vacation coming up, and the destination or method of travel required vaccination, so they promptly went and got vaccinated. Apparently, their vacation was more important than seeing their daughter and granddaughter.

Another friend of my wife who has been heavily resistant the entire time, socializing and getting around a bunch. She thought the whole thing was a hoax, was anti-mask and anti-vax. She's a little older (almost 60), a little heavy, and in generally moderate health. She got a new job where they were really pushing for vaccination. She then had a friend offer to take her on vacation to a tropical location, but the travel and/or destination required vaccination, so she ran right out and got vaccinated (it's amazing how motivating a fun treat is). She has, since her second vax, been positive for covid. She ended up in the hospital, and is having heart problems. We've heard that her heart will recover, but that she'll probably be on heart meds for a year until her heart fully recovers.

I have had my third jab. I've traveled internationally since I was a kid, so I've had lots of jabs that were required for travel. I think I've only had the flu shot 2-3 times. I think I've had the flu once or twice. I'm just not that concerned about the flu. But, I am concerned about CV. It's too new, and they know too little. Too many people that don't fit the "old, fat, sick" list end up in ICU on a ventilator and then die. It may not be a high percentage, but I'm not ready to die and I don't want to end up in the hospital, so the shot is a small price (at no cost) to pay to presumably minimize the impact of the virus.

This is not a 100% guaranty of anything, but if it has a high chance of helping, I'm OK with it.

No, indefinite threads on Pelican. It was a plot to keep this boring discussion forum going all along. The content sucks but we make it up in quantity.

Yeah, I like my "free thinkers" to come in packs of several million. Roughly the number of Trump voters in 2020 divided by the integer of Proud Boys times Oath Keepers and number of lifted PU trucks in America. Add in people who get their "news" from 3 or 4 right wing web sights.

"Free thinkers..." That's comedy gold right there, Jerry! Free thinkers who need their own leaders to tell them what to think. :)

Now that's some fking comedy!! :D:D
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You can't be serious, right? :confused:

Now...you may be on to something! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat6.gif

more straw..

"Anti-vaxxers" are not driving the push-back to this insane vax push. - to call them Anti-vax-mandaters would be on point.

We have a HUGE percentage of the population that has survived the C-virus, and then of course have natural immunity. Forcing the jab on them is like having survived the seasonal flu and then having to take the vaccine for said flu - it's ridiculous. Add in to the equation the risk associated with these "vaccines" and job-loss coercion...

Total mortality over the course of the pandemic and the ongoing and unending response is the other side of the comparison.