Porsche invested to save the internal combustion engine

[Luccia at Pelican Parts]

Porsche invested $100 million dollars despite its pledge to be carbon-neutral by 2030. Even by 2030, Porsche states 20% of its cars will remain combustion engines (this even includes the Australian market).

Porsche will initially use its synthetic fuels in racing applications to test and prove their viability, along with usage on track experience days with customers.

What about extra fuel produced by the facilities? This will most likely be used by blending it into the existing global fuel supply, which will reduce the carbon footprint of fuel at the bowser.

What will it cost? Well... "While Porsche wasn’t able to give an exact price or relative price for its fuel in the future, it said there would be ‘no big premium’ for such a fuel."

Read more details here.


4/6 Haru Oni synthetic fuel plant in Chile

[Arizona_928]

Very vague chemistry. Hydrogen and carbon from the environment. Lol i mean there's a reason why they call it a hydrocarbon....


Synthetic fuels not based upon ag will be $$$$$. Ie.co2 to usable cheap fuel.

[NoRush993/951]

Weren’t they making gas from coal back in the 40’s during the war?

[Jeff Hail]

America used to be a major sugar cane grower up until the 1980's and 1990's then it shut down forever. Cane uses a lot of water and the burning of fields for harvest became unacceptable.

Above is the offical story for public consumption. Cane razers failed because they refused to change for 150 years. About the only change they did was going to drip irrigation. Harvesting became very effecient with less manpower and more machine. They bloated crop yields with chemicals like glycophophate which increased the sucrose content in the stalks. Labor and taxes did not help.


One of the byproducts from cane processing is bagasse which is like the pulp that gets thrown out when you juice fruit. Bagasse can be used as a biofuel for the production of heat, energy, and electricity, power mills to making paper, fiber products, clothing and it is recyclable. Items like tableware, food serving items to food containers is made from the material.

Think of bamboo except on a much much friendlier scale.

Sorghum is another. Sorghum is used to make both leavened and unleavened bread. Various fermented and unfermented beverages are made from sorghum. It can be steamed or popped and is consumed as a fresh vegetable in some areas of the world. sorghum does not contain gluten and is celiac safe.

Booze? Pick your poison. Rum from sugar cane. Rum from sorghum is fatter, full bodied and earthy. Cachaca, Clairin, one of the oldest is Arrack, Aguadiente.

Brazil and New Zealand whom have not stopped cane growing have proven with change from the old ways of growing the benefits are clear. Reduced emissions and reduced deforestation from lumber harvesting. Sugarcane is among the most efficient crops in the world in converting energy from sunlight into chemical energy that is usable as a fuel source.

The other is Ethanol from sugarcane. Yields 25% more energy than the amount used during the production process, and reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 12% compared to fossil fuels. Cars run on it. Race cars run on it. Brazil is getting it figured out stepping away from petroleum based fuel for automobiles.

In a recent study, it was found that use of engineered sugarcane (specific species) could yield more than 2,500 liters of bio-jet fuel per acre of land. In simple terms, this means that a Boeing 747 could fly for 10 hours on bio-jet fuel produced on just 54 acres of land. Think about for a moment?

The growth cycle for a cane stalk is about 2 years since its a grass. It can be stretched further depending on growth and harvest cycles. Sugar cane also has one of the highest C02 intakes to O2 ouput conversion rates on the planet. A few acres acres actually scrubs the atmosphere, raises 02 levels and takes out the garbage at the same time. Think of what a million acres does do?

It did once upon a time but the Big 5 didnt want to change, they were complacent because growing sugar cane and processing for ingestion products was all they knew. That alone made it nonsustainable.

The odd part is most of those 150 year old companies still own the same land around the Hawaiian Islands, Florida, Texas and Louisiana. Imagine if they just got more efficient, went organic, ceased use of fungicides and pesticides or found natural methods for pest control.

Profit makes vision myopic. Now days sugar has a bad rap but everything you can make from it is very profitable and far more friendly than people know.

Energy is all around us in different forms. Its just how you look at it.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by NoRush993/951

Weren’t they making gas from coal back in the 40’s during the war?

Yeah F-T reactors. Which is 1920/30's tech. Problem is it takes a lot of energy to work. Which is not environmental friendly.

[cabmandone]

I read it and my first thought was "great there's gonna be a Porsche tax on fuel"

[PorscheGAL]

They think they will make 550 million liters a year by 2026? That would cover 1/2 day of fuel in the US.

I don't understand what their goal is. Are they planning to become fuel producer and distributor on top of a car manufacturer?

Maybe I am missing something.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by PorscheGAL

They think they will make 550 million liters a year by 2026? That would cover 1/2 day of fuel in the US.

I don't understand what their goal is. Are they planning to become fuel producer and distributor on top of a car manufacturer?

Maybe I am missing something.

It really sounds like they are looking at the future when drilling for oil is much reduced, refineries are shutting down, supertankers carrying crude are gone, and unicorns and rainbow powered electrical plants are making the electricity for the majority of the cars on the road. The few people with classic cars will need gasoline to power their weekend toys.

In the 1800s horses were THE main source of transportation. Then cars came along, and now horses are mostly all used by rich people as a hobby to race, or ride for fun. There are more horses in the USA now than 100 years ago.

Internal combustion engine new cars may will be banned in 20 years or less. Gasoline production will drop. Porsche is looking at the boutique market for people wanting to take their old cars out for drive. Gasoline might be 20 bucks a gallon but if the car is toy, rich people will find a way to have fun.

[Arizona_928]

They're also a start up and fairly new concept using wind for energy. I'm curious if they're using microchannel or just the big industrial method.

When a FT can be used by any ole joe to convert his wood stove into a few gallons of gasoline then it'll be a cool concept.

[rusnak]

Watch Elon Musk's "Ted Talk" interview. He goes into frank detail about what it would take to convert the entire US fleet of consumer cars to 100% electric. It won't happen soon, and that is ignoring the sheer time that it will take for all of the gas cars to leave the road. This is a move that is at least 30 years ahead of it's time, which is when you want to get in on the ground floor.

I think Porsche is looking at developing a patent of some sort.

[Arizona_928]

Your electric car is only as green as the power you generate. Well that and those lithium batteries.