Concealed carry requirements in NJ

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I'm in favor of training but dang.

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf

Originally Posted by red-beard

Those requirements look like they were cribbed from a police training course. Getting behind cover. Kneeling position. 80% hits at 25 yards?

Yep, practically a copy/paste job

https://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/pdfs/dcj-firearms.pdf

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tobra

What percentage of NJ cops could pass the CCW permit requirements?

Based on the link above, all of them must have been able to do it once.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I'm in favor of training but dang.

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf

Appendix B
Permit to Carry Safe Handling and
Proficiency Qualification (HQC2-modified)
1. Familiarization Requirements for Each Participant.
a. Demonstrate the safe handling of weapon.
b. Demonstrate proper loading and unloading techniques.
c. Demonstrate the techniques of proper physical stance.
d. Demonstrate the techniques of good marksmanship.
2. Range - 25 yards.
3. Target - FBI type Q target, either paper or cardboard. Multiple targets may be
used at the discretion of the agency executive or supervising firearms instructor.
4. Course.
a. Total of 50 rounds per participant.
b. Double action is required for revolvers for all phases. Semi-automatics
are to be fired in the manner in which the individual weapon functions
normally and are to be decocked when changing positions or hands.
c. Reloading may take place at the discretion of the supervising firearms
instructor. Additionally, discretion may be used as to the number of
rounds with which the magazines are loaded to accomplish reloading
exercises during the course. Similarly, the sequence of rounds fired at a
given distance may be altered to accommodate a reloading exercise.
d. To achieve a passing score of 80%, the participant must place a minimum
of 40 shots within the border of the Q-target silhouette.
e. Physical or simulated barricades are recommended in Phase I and may
be used at the discretion of the certified firearms instructor during any
phase.
Phase I 25-Yard Line. Time: 30 seconds - stage 1, 25 seconds
stages 2 & 3 10 rounds.
Strong-side kneeling
Strong-side kneeling or standing
• On command, from a secured holstered position, assume the
strong-side kneeling or standing position, fire 4 rounds. (30
seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area.
• Reload if needed (revolvers will reload and index the cylinder)
• On command assume a kneeling or standing position and fire 3
rounds. (25 seconds)
---STOP TIME—
• Decock and remain behind cover with visual focus towards the
threat area. Reload if necessary
• On command fire 3 rounds, standing or kneeling (25
seconds)
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase II 15-Yard Line. Time: 5 seconds. 3 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 5 seconds from a point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase III 15-Yard Line. Time: 25 seconds. 7 rounds.
Point shoulder position.
Strong-side kneeling position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a point shoulder position.
• Assume a strong-side kneeling position. Reload with 4 rounds,
index if required, and fire 4 rounds from a strong-side kneeling
position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase IV 10-Yard Line. Ready Position.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 6 rounds).
• On command, draw weapon and assume a ready position, i.e.,
muzzle depressed below eye level.
• On command, bring weapon up to eye level and fire 2 rounds in 3
seconds. Repeat drill twice, firing a total of 6 rounds.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase V 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VI 7-Yard Line. Time: 15 seconds. 6 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position. Mandatory reload/magazine
change
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds from a standing point shoulder position.
• Reload and fire 3 more rounds within the 15 second time period.
---STOP TIME---
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
Phase VII 7-Yard Line. Time: 4 seconds. 3 rounds.
Standing point shoulder position.
• On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3
rounds in 4 seconds from a standing point shoulder position.
---STOP TIME---
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
• Reload loading devices.
Phase VIII 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Strong hand.
Each drill, Time: 4 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds using only the strong hand.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon.
Phase IX 5-Yard Line. One-handed - Support hand.
Each drill, Time: 3 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and transfer the weapon to the support
hand. Assume a ready position.
• On command fire 2 rounds using only the support hand. Return
to ready (The strong arm should be limp along the body).
• Repeat once.
• Reload if required and holster an uncocked weapon
Phase X 1-Yard Line (or as close to 1-yard line as safety dictates).
Weapon Retention Position. (Begin with the support hand across
the chest with the hand grasping the collar of the shooter’s shirt.)
Each drill, Time: 2 seconds. 2 rounds.
(Total 4 rounds).
• On command, draw and fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds from
the weapon retention position.
• Reholster an uncocked weapon.
• Repeat drill once, firing a total of 4 rounds.
• Clear all weapons. Holster a safe, empty weapo

Is this all new? I am NJ CCW, I didn't go through all that.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

Is this all new? I am NJ CCW, I didn't go through all that.

Yup. Since SCOTUS' recent ruling on CCW.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by masraum

Based on the link above, all of them must have been able to do it once.

All of them?


I am dubious

[Jim Bremner]

Originally Posted by gsxrken

I've owned various handguns for more than 35 years... but tonight I have to attend the 2nd 4-hour course of the new 16-hour mandated class in NYS to maintain my license.
I have to pay someone $500 to hear that a gun should always be pointed in a safe direction and consists of a barrel, frame, and an action.



This thread could go to PARF in a NY minute, as there is only one party that pushes this nonsense.

16 hours for your first two years cost $200-250 in California. $125 for your next 4 hour class every two years I've taken 3 renewal classes so 28;hours. Each time with different instructors. I've picked up something from each

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Yup. Since SCOTUS' recent ruling on CCW.

I think that will get challenged and over ruled.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

I think that will get challenged and over ruled.

Evan Nappen (gun lawyer) will be all over it with the ANJRPC.

Nappens first statement here

https://www.evannappen.com/new-jerseys-john-wick-carry-training-mandate/

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tobra

All of them?


I am dubious

Sure, they get trained specifically to pass the test. My guess is that they also get multiple shots at passing, and the machine is motivated to get them to pass. But maybe the machine is also OK with them getting "close enough" .

[Tobra]

That is how they do with fire fighters to make quotas.

I would never get a CCW permit in California. They already doxxed everyone once, no interest in being on that list.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Evan Nappen (gun lawyer) will be all over it with the ANJRPC.

Nappens first statement here

https://www.evannappen.com/new-jerseys-john-wick-carry-training-mandate/

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[berettafan]

i think a much stiffer requirement is great. Marylands is a joke.

of the 10 or so people in my original class i'd say maybe one other person had any business carrying a gun. The rest flat out terrified me. I mean seriously worrisome on the range.