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Does your wife....SNORE?!?!

...or husband?

If so, consider getting one of these:

https://ashleyhomestore.ca/products/symphony-sleep-dream-lifestyle-adjustable-bed

We gave each other this for Christmas and it has worked out very well so far! I also do have some lower back issues so it's helped me out as well. With both our legs and back slightly elevated it has been a game changer and we are now able to grab some quality ZZZZs. It does also come with optional massage functions.

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My wife snores terribly. It used to wake me up every night, and in the morning I would be irritable as all hell. I would nudge her to get her to roll over her, and it would wake her up. I know she couldn’t help it, but it didn’t take me any less tired. And then about six months ago, we decided to start sleeping in separate bedrooms. At first it seemed a bit weird, but now both of us agree we should have done it years ago. We are now both sleeping much better.
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My wife snores terribly. It used to wake me up every night, and in the morning I would be irritable as all hell. I would nudge her to get her to roll over her, and it would wake her up. I know she couldn’t help it, but it didn’t take me any less tired. And then about six months ago, we decided to start sleeping in separate bedrooms. At first it seemed a bit weird, but now both of us agree we should have done it years ago. We are now both sleeping much better.
We’ve been sleeping in different bedrooms for years and we both sleep better.
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In my early 20s I developed a congenital condition (Otosclerosis) that caused me to loose most hearing in my left ear. For all of our married life, 42 years, I just turn my head to cover my right ear on the pillow or roll over on my right side to tune out her snoring. Has worked for me.
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Severe snoring can lead to sleep apnea... which can lead to atrial fibrillation... not something to mess around with. If you or your spouse has sleep apnea, talk to your doctor about it.
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Sleep apnea, also spelled sleep apnoea, is a sleep disorder in which pauses in breathing or periods of shallow breathing during sleep occur more often than normal. Each pause can last for a few seconds to a few minutes and they happen many times a night. In the most common form, this follows loud snoring. A choking or snorting sound may occur as breathing resumes. Because the disorder disrupts normal sleep, those affected may experience sleepiness or feel tired during the day. In children, it may cause hyperactivity or problems in school.

Sleep apnea may be either obstructive sleep apnea (OSA), in which breathing is interrupted by a blockage of air flow, central sleep apnea (CSA), in which regular unconscious breath simply stops, or a combination of the two. OSA is the most common form. OSA has four key contributors; these include a narrow, crowded, or collapsible upper airway, an ineffective pharyngeal dilator muscle function during sleep, airway narrowing during sleep, and unstable control of breathing (high loop gain). It is often a chronic condition. Other risk factors include being overweight, a family history of the condition, allergies, and enlarged tonsils. Some people with sleep apnea are unaware they have the condition. In many cases it is first observed by a family member. Sleep apnea is often diagnosed with an overnight sleep study. For a diagnosis of sleep apnea, more than five episodes per hour must occur.

In CSA, the basic neurological controls for breathing rate malfunction and fail to give the signal to inhale, causing the individual to miss one or more cycles of breathing. If the pause in breathing is long enough, the percentage of oxygen in the circulation can drop to a lower than normal level (hypoxaemia) and the concentration of carbon dioxide can build to a higher than normal level (hypercapnia). In turn, these conditions of hypoxia and hypercapnia will trigger additional effects on the body (such as Cheyne-Stokes Respiration). Brain cells need constant oxygen to live, and if the level of blood oxygen goes low enough for long enough, brain damage and even death can occur. A systemic disorder, sleep apnea is associated with a wide array of effects, including increased risk of car accidents, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, atrial fibrillation, insulin resistance, higher incidence of cancer, and neurodegeneration. The exact effects of the condition depend on how severe the apnea is and on the individual characteristics of the person having the apnea.

Treatment may include lifestyle changes, mouthpieces, breathing devices, and surgery. Effective lifestyle changes may include avoiding alcohol, losing weight, stopping smoking, and sleeping on one's side. Breathing devices include the use of a CPAP machine. With proper use, CPAP improves outcomes. Evidence suggests that CPAP may improve sensitivity to insulin, blood pressure, and sleepiness. Long term compliance, however, is an issue with more than half of people not appropriately using the device. In 2017, only 15% of potential patients in developed countries used CPAP machines, while in developing countries well under 1% of potential patients used CPAP. Without treatment, sleep apnea may increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, diabetes, heart failure, irregular heartbeat, obesity, and motor vehicle collisions.

Alzheimer's disease and severe obstructive sleep apnea are connected because there is an increase in the protein beta-amyloid as well as white-matter damage. These are the main indicators of Alzheimer's, which in this case comes from the lack of proper rest or poorer sleep efficiency resulting in neurodegeneration. Having sleep apnea in mid-life brings a higher likelihood of developing Alzheimer's in older age, and if one has Alzheimer's then one is also more likely to have sleep apnea. This is demonstrated by cases of sleep apnea even being misdiagnosed as dementia. With the use of treatment through CPAP, there is a reversible risk factor in terms of the amyloid proteins. This usually restores brain structure and diminishes cognitive impairment.

OSA is a common sleep disorder. A large analysis in 2019 of the estimated prevalence of OSA found that OSA affects 936 million—1 billion people between the ages of 30–69 globally, or roughly every 1 in 10 people, and up to 30% of the elderly. Sleep apnea is somewhat more common in men than women, roughly a 2:1 ratio of men to women, and in general more people are likely to have it with older age and obesity.

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea
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Yes. As do most of the guys that I fish and ski with, sharing living quarters with. Couple of the buds likely have apnea.

My ENT guy recommended Mack's silicone earplugs. They work very well and are a nightly thing unless I am by myself. Also do very well at blocking or mitigating hotel noises, like the drunk azzhats in the next room.
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My wife snores terribly. It used to wake me up every night, and in the morning I would be irritable as all hell. I would nudge her to get her to roll over her, and it would wake her up. I know she couldn’t help it, but it didn’t take me any less tired. And then about six months ago, we decided to start sleeping in separate bedrooms. At first it seemed a bit weird, but now both of us agree we should have done it years ago. We are now both sleeping much better.
Separate bedrooms here as well, been doing it for years. Both so much happier.
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Snoring is nothing to mess with. I urge anyone who has a snorer in the family to get a sleep study done. John’s post about the dangers of snoring is spot on. Please don’t sweep snoring under the rug by moving to a different room or using one of those “cures” that just wake the snorer up.

A dear friend was a snorer and had a CPAP that she refused to use. She died in her sleep from heart failure, likely due to low oxygen.
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My ex sleeps in another state now. Not because of snoring, but because of what she did when she was awake.
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We both snore. We both had sleep studies done. She passed and i failed so I'm using a CPAP now. I wish I had done it sooner. I wake up feeling much more rested. We also got an adjustable bed. That pretty much stopped her snoring.
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Wife snores occasionally and it's fairly quiet, so more cute than obnoxious. My watch tells me I don't snore.
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I snore and have done a sleep study. I have a CPAP and I absolutely hate using it.

I have several friends that use them and don't leave home without it. They would wake up tired and just didn't get quality sleep prior to using the CPAP. It literally was a life changer for them. That's just the opposite of how I feel. I've never woke up tired and felt great. I took the sleep study because I snore. NOW, When I use it, I wake up feeling terrible, I don't sleep well, i wake up and my mouth and throat are dry and the whole thing just irritates me. I know I should use it, but it's just not working for me....

My wife snores and after a sleep study was told she doesn't have sleep apnea.

We already have a fully adjustable bed and adjusting it does work for her, but not so much for me.
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Michael, assuming you have the humidifier set up properly, dry mouth is usually due to the mask leaking.
I hated my CPAP for the first 3 months I had it. I bought a special pillow and all sorts of crap to try to make it work better for me. I changed the size of the mask down a size and experimented with different tension on the straps and finally found something I could live with. There is a very narrow sweet spot that keeps the mask tight without being uncomfortable.
Now, count me among those who wouldn’t live without it.
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In my early 20s I developed a congenital condition (Otosclerosis) that caused me to loose most hearing in my left ear. For all of our married life, 42 years, I just turn my head to cover my right ear on the pillow or roll over on my right side to tune out her snoring. Has worked for me.
Same hear....errrr....I mean here! I had frequent bouts of Otitis Media as a child. My right ear developed severe Tympanosclerosis as a result when I was about 5....been about 80% deaf in my right ear since. Three bouts of surg did not improve things at all. I wear a hearing aid in my right ear on occasion if I'm out socializing. So, with that I've always slept on the right side of the bed with my deaf right ear pointed at my wife.
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I snore and have done a sleep study. I have a CPAP and I absolutely hate using it.

I have several friends that use them and don't leave home without it. They would wake up tired and just didn't get quality sleep prior to using the CPAP. It literally was a life changer for them. That's just the opposite of how I feel. I've never woke up tired and felt great. I took the sleep study because I snore. NOW, When I use it, I wake up feeling terrible, I don't sleep well, i wake up and my mouth and throat are dry and the whole thing just irritates me. I know I should use it, but it's just not working for me....

My wife snores and after a sleep study was told she doesn't have sleep apnea.

We already have a fully adjustable bed and adjusting it does work for her, but not so much for me.
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Michael, assuming you have the humidifier set up properly, dry mouth is usually due to the mask leaking.
I hated my CPAP for the first 3 months I had it. I bought a special pillow and all sorts of crap to try to make it work better for me. I changed the size of the mask down a size and experimented with different tension on the straps and finally found something I could live with. There is a very narrow sweet spot that keeps the mask tight without being uncomfortable.
Now, count me among those who wouldn’t live without it.
My wife couldn't ever get used to it either. Then she lost some weight. Problem solved. We've used separate bedrooms for many years, but mainly because she likes late night TV and I don't. I had to get up at 5:30 if I was engaged with an ongoing construction job. First there and last to leave, every day. That's how you run a good job.

Frankly, I think sleeping separately is not such a good thing as you reach the elderly stage, which we are. But she has an Apple watch and I hope it's programed correctly. He daughter and she handle that. I'm supposed to get the alert.
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I probably need to make it work. I can't wear it for more then 2 days straight without it driving me bat **** crazy. Switched from just the nose inserts to the full mask, which was better because I'm a mouth breather ( which also isn't good) but it's just not comfortable....I also know that I need to drop more then a few pounds as well.

Is anybody here familiar with that inspire thing for sleep apnea?
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Is anybody here familiar with that inspire thing for sleep apnea?
Wow! I just checked. Looks like an implant that "shocks" your tongue as you're inhaling. The implant looks similar to a pacemaker:

https://www.inspiresleep.com

I'll take the Wife jabbing me in the ribs and yelling "Turn over!!" over that procedure.
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Severe snoring can lead to sleep apnea... which can lead to atrial fibrillation... not something to mess around with. If you or your spouse has sleep apnea, talk to your doctor about it.
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Sleep apnea, also spelled sleep apnoea, is a sleep disorder in which pauses in breathing or periods of shallow breathing during sleep occur more often than normal. Each pause can last for a few seconds to a few minutes and they happen many times a night. In the most common form, this follows loud snoring. A choking or snorting sound may occur as breathing resumes. Because the disorder disrupts normal sleep, those affected may experience sleepiness or feel tired during the day. In children, it may cause hyperactivity or problems in school.

Sleep apnea may be either obstructive sleep apnea (OSA), in which breathing is interrupted by a blockage of air flow, central sleep apnea (CSA), in which regular unconscious breath simply stops, or a combination of the two. OSA is the most common form. OSA has four key contributors; these include a narrow, crowded, or collapsible upper airway, an ineffective pharyngeal dilator muscle function during sleep, airway narrowing during sleep, and unstable control of breathing (high loop gain). It is often a chronic condition. Other risk factors include being overweight, a family history of the condition, allergies, and enlarged tonsils. Some people with sleep apnea are unaware they have the condition. In many cases it is first observed by a family member. Sleep apnea is often diagnosed with an overnight sleep study. For a diagnosis of sleep apnea, more than five episodes per hour must occur.

In CSA, the basic neurological controls for breathing rate malfunction and fail to give the signal to inhale, causing the individual to miss one or more cycles of breathing. If the pause in breathing is long enough, the percentage of oxygen in the circulation can drop to a lower than normal level (hypoxaemia) and the concentration of carbon dioxide can build to a higher than normal level (hypercapnia). In turn, these conditions of hypoxia and hypercapnia will trigger additional effects on the body (such as Cheyne-Stokes Respiration). Brain cells need constant oxygen to live, and if the level of blood oxygen goes low enough for long enough, brain damage and even death can occur. A systemic disorder, sleep apnea is associated with a wide array of effects, including increased risk of car accidents, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, atrial fibrillation, insulin resistance, higher incidence of cancer, and neurodegeneration. The exact effects of the condition depend on how severe the apnea is and on the individual characteristics of the person having the apnea.

Treatment may include lifestyle changes, mouthpieces, breathing devices, and surgery. Effective lifestyle changes may include avoiding alcohol, losing weight, stopping smoking, and sleeping on one's side. Breathing devices include the use of a CPAP machine. With proper use, CPAP improves outcomes. Evidence suggests that CPAP may improve sensitivity to insulin, blood pressure, and sleepiness. Long term compliance, however, is an issue with more than half of people not appropriately using the device. In 2017, only 15% of potential patients in developed countries used CPAP machines, while in developing countries well under 1% of potential patients used CPAP. Without treatment, sleep apnea may increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, diabetes, heart failure, irregular heartbeat, obesity, and motor vehicle collisions.

Alzheimer's disease and severe obstructive sleep apnea are connected because there is an increase in the protein beta-amyloid as well as white-matter damage. These are the main indicators of Alzheimer's, which in this case comes from the lack of proper rest or poorer sleep efficiency resulting in neurodegeneration. Having sleep apnea in mid-life brings a higher likelihood of developing Alzheimer's in older age, and if one has Alzheimer's then one is also more likely to have sleep apnea. This is demonstrated by cases of sleep apnea even being misdiagnosed as dementia. With the use of treatment through CPAP, there is a reversible risk factor in terms of the amyloid proteins. This usually restores brain structure and diminishes cognitive impairment.

OSA is a common sleep disorder. A large analysis in 2019 of the estimated prevalence of OSA found that OSA affects 936 million—1 billion people between the ages of 30–69 globally, or roughly every 1 in 10 people, and up to 30% of the elderly. Sleep apnea is somewhat more common in men than women, roughly a 2:1 ratio of men to women, and in general more people are likely to have it with older age and obesity.

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea
Thanks for the heads up! She has discussed it with her fam Dr. but I'll follow up on this.

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