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[Scott Douglas]

I'd offer that they shouldn't be released because it would cause undo stress to all the inmates they've been helping while in prison.

Keep them there and let them continue their good work.

They did the deed so need to pay the price, no matter what initially caused them to make the bad decision in the first place.

The old saying 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time' comes to mind.


Feel free to discuss.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Scott Douglas

I'd offer that they shouldn't be released because it would cause undo stress to all the inmates they've been helping while in prison.

Keep them there and let them continue their good work.

They did the deed so need to pay the price, no matter what initially caused them to make the bad decision in the first place.

The old saying 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time' comes to mind.


Feel free to discuss.

That's the thing, lots of folks have done their time and been released by now.

I didn't watch the original case, and don't know if they were or were not abused. Other family members are saying that they were abused. I don't know if that's true or not.

But by your reasoning, they may have now done their time. Lots of other folks that are convicted of murder have done their time by now. Why not these guys, especially if they were molested.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by speeder

It just makes no sense to my brain that the father would be sexually abusing his two sons. But to be fair, I don't understand the mind of a child molester at all.

It happens, and often if it happens to one person then that person does it to their kids when they have them. Some people are just broken and do crazy sheiße.

[rfuerst911sc]

So just for discussion purposes let's say the DA/judge/lawyers review past and present evidence . And interviews are held with whoever . And at the end of that it is determined a NEW sentence should be handed down .

How long of a sentence is " good enough " ? In my mind good enough means that you have paid your debt to society for brutally killing the two people that brought you into this world . I may be a cold hearted son of a ***** but to me their current sentence is " good enough " .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

So just for discussion purposes let's say the DA/judge/lawyers review past and present evidence . And interviews are held with whoever . And at the end of that it is determined a NEW sentence should be handed down .

How long of a sentence is " good enough " ? In my mind good enough means that you have paid your debt to society for brutally killing the two people that brought you into this world . I may be a cold hearted son of a ***** but to me their current sentence is " good enough " .

What if their parents abused them (if the father abused them and the mother ignored it, that's a pretty serious abuse)? There are lots of parents where the extent of the parental action was that they had sex and didn't terminate. If a parent abused a child, I'd say that mitigates the good of "brought into this world".

And what about the comparison of this sentence other murder sentences?

I think they've served at least 28 years. They were convicted in 1996 and it's 2024. I don't know if they were in prison/jail prior to 1996, which could mean that it was longer.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp16.pdf

[speeder]

They have been in prison for 35 years. There was no bail, it was a death penalty case.

[rfuerst911sc]

Life sentence without parole .............. seems clear to me . They could have received the death penalty . Like their parents received .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Life sentence without parole .............. seems clear to me . They could have received the death penalty . Like their parents received .

Are there ANY murders that shouldn't have the same penalty?

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by masraum

Are there ANY murders that shouldn't have the same penalty?

There are plenty of murders that receive a sentence with parole . The jury/judge in this case decided THIS double murder didn't warrant the chance of parole .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

There are plenty of murders that receive a sentence with parole . The jury/judge in this case decided THIS double murder didn't warrant the chance of parole .

I understand that there are varying sentences. Your opinion is that this sentence is good in this case. I'm asking what your opinion is of other cases. If this case seems like a "life without parol" case, then I would think that many/most others should as well. If not, why or why not?

[stevej37]

The brothers are 53 and 56 years old This year.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by speeder

They have been in prison for 35 years. There was no bail, it was a death penalty case.

They should have thrown the switch. I don’t agree with taxpayers paying room and board past the first appeal.

[rfuerst911sc]

My opinion if you are proven guilty of 1st degree murder you receive either the death penalty or life without parole . If you commit 2nd degree murder you get life with parole OR a lesser sentence like 25 years with no parole . And no parole means no parole .

No one in my opinion should get out after 10 - 12 years regardless of 1st or 2nd degree . Yes there are examples of that but that doesn't make it right . Just ask any victims family members . Generally speaking we are too soft on violent criminals . Only exceptions are when DNA evidence proves that someone was wrongly incarcerated .

[sc_rufctr]

One awful case that I still remember clearly.

- The timeline and the details of the crime are horrific. There's a reason this was global news at the time.

"Life without the possibility of parole" should mean exactly that. I'm all for truth in sentencing.

It's a whole lot better than what their parents got.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

One awful case that I still remember clearly.

- The timeline and the details of the crime are horrific. There's a reason this was global news at the time.

"Life without the possibility of parole" should mean exactly that. I'm all for truth in sentencing.

It's a whole lot better than what their parents got.

Assuming the father wasn't molesting the boys for years, and the mother ignoring it. If that happened, then the parents got what they deserved.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by dad911

They should have thrown the switch. I don’t agree with taxpayers paying room and board past the first appeal.

They don't fry a lot of people in CA. I had to look it up but the last one was in 2006. You could still be sentenced to death but your date would never come up.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

My opinion if you are proven guilty of 1st degree murder you receive either the death penalty or life without parole . If you commit 2nd degree murder you get life with parole OR a lesser sentence like 25 years with no parole . And no parole means no parole .

No one in my opinion should get out after 10 - 12 years regardless of 1st or 2nd degree . Yes there are examples of that but that doesn't make it right . Just ask any victims family members . Generally speaking we are too soft on violent criminals . Only exceptions are when DNA evidence proves that someone was wrongly incarcerated .

^^^ If there is a grave injustice, like new DNA evidence, a proven corrupt system, liars' testimony ... later recanted, and yes.... pure racism in some cases... I say ... fix it ... it's never too late.

This case is sorta "under my radar" ... then and now... I see both sides... shades of grey here.

They should remain where they are imo... it's a very dark grey... almost black ... pitch black mebbe???

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by speeder

They don't fry a lot of people in CA. I had to look it up but the last one was in 2006. You could still be sentenced to death but your date would never come up.

If that is a fact then why have a death penalty ? The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent to committing the crime . And if you commit that crime and are caught a punishment for doing so . You might as well change the law to life without parole . Too soft on violent crime .

[KFC911]

NC still carries out the sentence on occasion.... after 2 decades of appeals. Costs less just to keep them locked away .... much less ... for decades.

The "guilty" ones should never be released ... you get out in a box.

"Guilty" .... those who deserved to die.... jmho.

[yellowperil]

They only came up with that abuse story when their hot shot defense lawyer (I can't recall her name) came up with the idea. That's what I think, IMO