Nissan is swirling the drain

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by red 928

The only thing worse than nissan vehicles is how
customers are treated by nissan dealer service managers.

I'll tip a glass on the day they go out of business.

Our daughter will never consider a Nissan after dealing with the service department and dealing with the junk that the Rogue is in general.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by slow&rusty

This is not a true statement.

MB did not buy Chrysler it was a JV to share technology and developmental ideas. As part of that agreement, MB also platform shared with Chrysler the W210 chassis as the design basis to develop the 300C, Magnum/ Charger/Challenger platforms.

The MB reliability issue that you reference actually is mostly part of the new generation of ABC (and I guess Airmatic) suspensions that MB employed in the E-Class and S-Class. If you followed MB's recommended service, you did not have issues, but owners thought they were smarter than the manufacturer and pushed their cars ignoring the service intervals. This led to sometimes catastrophic failures and VERY costly repairs which were sensationalized online on forums and YouTubers looking for "clicks", and owners with a "woe is me" attitude.

Simple if you cannot afford a new S-Class for $150k new in the early 2000s, what makes you think that buying a 15-year old one for $10k is not going to nickel and dime you?

During this time, MB did not have any engine issues except a few cases with their odd 5.8L V12 that replaced the bullet proof M120 V12, but again mostly sensationalized. Transmissions have always been bullet proof even when neglected.

On paper it was a joint venture but in reality MB sucked the $4+ billion from Chrysler and stifled any new products from them including the ME412 then dropped them when the money ran out.

[berettafan]

I dunno slow & rusty...if MB cars were super reliable for the majority of people who just follow recommended 'service' intervals the values wouldn't fall off a cliff like they do. and at some point it stops being 'service' and is really replacing poorly engineered parts.

[RNajarian]

Originally Posted by berettafan

I dunno slow & rusty...if MB cars were super reliable for the majority of people who just follow recommended 'service' intervals the values wouldn't fall off a cliff like they do. and at some point it stops being 'service' and is really replacing poorly engineered parts.

????

Not my experience at all. I do the recommended maintenance on my MBZs and after 150,000 miles (about 9-10 years) trade them in and get newer models.

Never had an expensive repair.

[911 Rod]

I watched a show a while back were a MB had a million or so miles on it. The owner followed the maintenance to the T and the car was basically rebuilt many times over at an exorbitant cost.
I really didn't see the point of it.

[G50]

Originally Posted by flipper35

On paper it was a joint venture but in reality MB sucked the $4+ billion from Chrysler and stifled any new products from them including the ME412 then dropped them when the money ran out.

It was a “merger of equals.”

[ASD]

styling is boring, we are looking at cars as a 3rd one is necessary,I considered Nissan, but instead thiking 2006-7 ish cayman.
i own a Honda Element, which ia a cult car, mine has 186000 on it and is barely broken in, 300k is common, and it is so versatile Ill likely keep it a long time , I had a 78 Nissan Z which was fun, but replaced it with an 80 911 targa..Much better..

[slow&rusty]

Originally Posted by berettafan

I dunno slow & rusty...if MB cars were super reliable for the majority of people who just follow recommended 'service' intervals the values wouldn't fall off a cliff like they do. and at some point it stops being 'service' and is really replacing poorly engineered parts.

All cars depreciate sharply.

Even my Lexus LX570 which is supposedly near recession proof that I bought as a CPO from Lexus when it was 2 years old with 20k miles has depreciated $15K in one year. This depreciated value was actually calculated by Lexus recently, not some online source.

Depreciation is a game a lot of dealers play to sell widgets.
When you buy a car it's a seller's market
You sell a car a car it's a buyer's market.

Buying a Benz beyond 8-years old can be a gamble if and only if the owner has not stayed up with the recommended maintenance.

My wife and I own quite a few MBs, and I am very good at maintaining them or taking them to the dealer for things beyond my capability. They have been great to own. The older stuff from the '80s is incredible.

[vash]

what about Mitsubishi? that has to be down the drain already, no?

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by vash

what about Mitsubishi? that has to be down the drain already, no?

They seem to be in the " hanging on " category . They have been fairly heavy with TV promotions with Rashida Jones as the spokes person . Not sure what their market share is but it can't be much .

[rfuerst911sc]

Found this regarding recent Mitsubishi sales . They are trending up .

https://media.mitsubishicars.com/en-US/releases/release-ded9cb77378ab73d106f5602af02df4b-mitsubishi-motors-announces-strong-first-quarter-2024-sales#:~:text=Quarterly%20sales%20up%2035.7%25%20Y %2DO%2DY,over%2Dyear%20and%20totaling%203%2C463.

[Sooner or later]

Tough auto market.

Stellantis CEO resigns

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Tough auto market.

Stellantis CEO resigns

He sees the writing on the wall . Lots of tough decisions to be made that will affect many jobs .

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Tough auto market.

Stellantis CEO resigns

Stellantis is a massive pile of crap. I'm working on a project for them, they are re-using 'stuff' that Ford or GM would have tossed twenty years ago. It's pathetic how underfunded they are.

[stevej37]

I saw one of these on the road today.....I thought it looked very good.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

Nissan, the Dodge of the Japanese car brands. I didn't make that one up but I like it.

yup, Nissan is the Chrysler of japan.

neither car company is long for this world, and good riddance when they do.

[rfuerst911sc]

I can see the upside for Nissan in the merger but what would Honda gain ?

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/japans-honda-nissan-begin-merger-190007879.html

[onewhippedpuppy]

I’ll avoid an Altima or Sentra in the rental car lot right up there with a Malibu. Infiniti products are better but feel about a decade behind other luxury makes. When you don’t invest in competitive products, eventually the consumer moves on.

[Reg]

I love my g25x and my Q50s!!
The q50s really moves out and is comfy for 4.

[pwd72s]

Ford also in deep doo-doo.