Pablo Ruiz Picasso

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by javadog

Compare the number of artists that weren't hugely successful when they were alive, if they ever got successful at all, with those that were as successful as Picasso. No matter what you may think of his work, an artist that prolific doesn't do that well unless a lot of people like his work. Art IS very subjective, therefore...

I have to agree. I sometimes wonder if his art is liked by many because that makes them part of the art lovers elite to feel part of the smart group.

Obviously his art appreciation has legs, and people are still paying huge bucks for it. I just wonder if in 100 years if he will be as appreciated and old masters like Monet or Vincent Van Gogh. I will never know.

[Crowbob]

Excellent points, Glen.

The same is true with music, movies, foods, fashion, literature, activities and everything else, including…cars.

It seems we have come full circle with this thread. WRT Picasso, he’s been dead almost 53 years and going strong. I am confident to declare that his influence is growing. This thread being proof.

[javadog]

For the most part, artists that achieve a certain amount of popularity, to the point that their names become part of the public lexicon in popular culture tend to remain popular. Picasso is easily among the top ten, maybe top five.

And, it seems to be independent of the general public's perception of the quality of his art.

There are now enough elites that none of the big names will go wanting in future auctions.

[red-beard]

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Midnight in Paris is one of my favorite movies on many levels. It was brilliantly conceived and executed IMHO. It put to film my long held dream that I should have been born in southern CA in the early 50s to experience it and car culture in the 60s.

What living artists are you paying attention to now?

I have admired Richard Serra who somewhat recently left us, for some time, and dream of taking over his vision with new materials for a unique experience in sculpture.

There are too many to list but just among friends, Sage Vaughn and Honor Titus...there are hundreds if not more really good artists in LA alone. My friends have a gallery that has been hitting home runs lately, it is called Wilding Cran if you want to follow them. Being that I am a west coast guy, I'm a fan of the pop art scene here from the '60s, so Ed Ruscha, Billy Al Bengston, Ed Moses, David Hockney, all of them.

Can I ask you a favor? Can you just remove the quote of my post in yours? I edited when I thought better of putting personal info on a public forum, really my bad. I'm still not very good at this internet thing. Thanks.

[speeder]

Here is Honor Titus, he's a young guy from New York living in LA and doing spectacular work. He has the disease of liking old cars and I used to fix his w123 Mercedes when he was broke, when he became rich and famous, he gifted it to me. It's a Euro 280CE coupe. Here he is recently presenting a painting commissioned by King Charles at Buckingham Palace:

(see if this works)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DRDKtTnj4vQ/?img_index=1

[speeder]

[javadog]

Gotta love those coupes...

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

Gotta love those coupes...

Yep, especially a 1985, (last year made), German market coupe grey-marketed into California when it was new, so it's dry as the Mohave desert. It needs restoration but the faded original paint shows no accidents, aside from the dent on the drivers door, and no Bondo anywhere. It has the most powerful M110 twin-cam that they produced and it's loaded with all of the usual USA options like leather/sunroof/power windows/climate control.

This was the height of the grey market, soon thereafter the U.S. cracked down on it. People were going over to Europe, enjoying the strong U.S. dollar and buying cars that they could not get here and shipping them home. The problem with some of them, (particularly used 911s back then), is that if they were driven in Northern Europe, it's like Boston or Minnesota in the winter. Not this one, though.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by speeder

There are too many to list but just among friends, Sage Vaughn and Honor Titus...there are hundreds if not more really good artists in LA alone. My friends have a gallery that has been hitting home runs lately, it is called Wilding Cran if you want to follow them. Being that I am a west coast guy, I'm a fan of the pop art scene here from the '60s, so Ed Ruscha, Billy Al Bengston, Ed Moses, David Hockney, all of them.

Can I ask you a favor? Can you just remove the quote of my post in yours? I edited when I thought better of putting personal info on a public forum, really my bad. I'm still not very good at this internet thing. Thanks.

done

[speeder]

Appreciate it! Never know who might be lurking on a public forum…obviously not worried about you guys.

[GH85Carrera]

Some real art!

[javadog]

Crap like that makes a mockery of art. Screw that guy.

[911 Rod]

Originally Posted by javadog

Crap like that makes a mockery of art. Screw that guy.

It's also probably one of the many fake memes we see on this site everyday.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

It's also probably one of the many fake memes we see on this site everyday.

Always possible. But I can point to similar nonsense that has been displayed in notable modern art museums for a long time.

This gem, which is in the permanent collection of The Modern in Ft Worth and consists of a commercially available single bulb fluorescent light installed on a wall at about a 45 degree angle. It's plugged in and lit.

Fortunately, it's not currently on display, wasting wall space.

Details:

the diagonal of May 25, 1963
Artist Dan Flavin (Born 1933, United Staes; died 1996, United States)
Date1963
MediumWarm white fluorescent light
DimensionsLength: 96 in. (243.84 cm)
ClassificationsSculpture
Credit LineCollection of the Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth, Gift of Barbara Rose, by exchange with the DIA Center for the Arts
Object number2002.66

[herr_oberst]

A quick glance on Wikepedia shows that the story of the Emperors New Clothes by HCA can be traced back at least to the 11th century; most likely, con men stealing money from idiots on the idea that 'only a special person sees the value in what I'm offering you' is a tale as old as time.

Grok the caveman might have found a stash of rocks with pretty flecks in them, and traded them for something of value; Jealous Grak came along, tried and failed to find flecked rocks, picked up a bunch of plain rocks and told the cave plebes that his rocks have rarity can't be seen by lowlifes like Grok.

(and then an asteroid fell to earth...)

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

It's also probably one of the many fake memes we see on this site everyday.

NY Times: ‘Take the Money and Run’ Artist Must Repay Danish Museum

A court ordered Jens Haaning, who incorporates physical currency in his work, to give back about $70,000 after he sent the Kunsten Museum of Modern Art two blank canvases.

By Marc Tracy
Sept. 19, 2023

A Danish artist who delivered two framed blank canvases titled “Take the Money and Run” must repay the Kunsten Museum of Modern Art about $70,000 it had given him to reproduce artworks involving physical currency, a Copenhagen court ruled on Monday.

The museum had commissioned the artist, Jens Haaning, to recreate two of his earlier works, “An Average Austrian Year Income” (2007) and “An Average Danish Annual Income” (2010), which displayed cash in euros and Danish kroner. For the purpose of his new artworks, Haaning was given 532,549 kroner, according to the museum director, plus fees and expenses.

But Haaning surprised the museum by sending it “Take the Money and Run,” which was included in an exhibition from September 2021 to January 2022. When the exhibition closed, Haaning did not return the money, prompting the museum, which is in the northern city of Aalborg, to file a lawsuit.

The Copenhagen court pointed to the contract and the disbursement receipt, which both stated that the kroner were to be repaid after the exhibition. Though Haaning has said he did not intend to return the money, the court added, the museum never agreed to those terms.

In determining what Haaning owed, the court allowed him to keep almost $6,000 from the museum’s loan to compensate him for the showing of “Take the Money and Run.”

Haaning said in an interview on Tuesday that the ruling was what he expected and that he has not repaid the money because, he argued, keeping the money is itself the art.

“I will go so far to say that the piece is that I have taken the money,” he said. “The two empty frames is actually a representation of the concept. So more important than the absence of money is that I’ve taken the money.”

He acknowledged that he did not fulfill the original commission.

“I completed something else,” he said. “You’re asked to show a 10- and a 12-year-old work, and suddenly you have a better concept.”

In a statement responding to the decision, Lasse Andersson, the director of the Kunsten Museum, said he would have no comment while the case was proceeding, noting that there was a four-week period for appeals.

As part of the original exhibition, the museum posted on its website that “Take the Money and Run” was in a tradition of art “that leaves materials as a trace left behind or a framework for an idea or an action,” and compared it to works by Banksy and Bjorn Norgaard.

At the time, the museum added, “Even the lack of money in the work has a monetary value when it is designated as art and thus shows how the value of money is an abstract quantity.”

Lisa Abend and Torben Brooks contributed translation.

Marc Tracy is a reporter on the Culture desk.

[Steve Carlton]

I think old Pablo did some pretty cool stuff.



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[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by steve carlton

i think old pablo did some pretty cool drugs.



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[speeder]

Some really sophisticated art patrons here.