My dealership experience

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Nice Macan! If dealerships are good for one thing, a $XXXX PPI is a great negotiation tool!

One reason I liked this car was that it has a CPO+1 that is just over a year old and that by itself means quite a few positive things. To CPO a car they have to do a ton of work with OEM gear, and CPO +1 is as far as you can run a factory warranty and I get 21 months of it.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I had a seller request a dealership PPI on a Boxster. Because the car had not been dealer serviced they provided a quote for every single service item that would have been required from day one. Including many parts that I had just replaced, with receipts. They don’t even bother opening up the airbox to see the brand new filter. The seller still bought the car after wasting $300.

[David]

I posted on a previous thread about this, but after our recent $600 oil change on the wife's 2022 Panamera and $6,800 quote for spark plugs, brake fluid, cabin and engine air filter, transmission fluid change and alignment, I said I'm done with the dealer.

My biggest grip with Porsche is their proprietary software. Durametric doesn't do everything you need and no way I'm spending $10K on software or buying some Chinese made system to bleed the brakes. Sure would be nice if congress could get their act together and pass a right to repair bill.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by David

I posted on a previous thread about this, but after our recent $600 oil change on the wife's 2022 Panamera and $6,800 quote for spark plugs, brake fluid, cabin and engine air filter, transmission fluid change and alignment, I said I'm done with the dealer.

My biggest grip with Porsche is their proprietary software. Durametric doesn't do everything you need and no way I'm spending $10K on software or buying some Chinese made system to bleed the brakes. Sure would be nice if congress could get their act together and pass a right to repair bill.

Most decent code readers offer versions specific to a given marque that will perform all maintenance functions and some basic coding. For instance I have a CReader Elite that’s made for Mercedes, it will do all of the functions for maintenance reset, brake bleeding, coding new batteries, reading proprietary codes, electronic parking brake, etc. It was under $200. I’m shocked Duramatric won’t do brake bleeding but I haven’t used it in years either.

[greglepore]

Yeah, the Foxwell 610/710 are similarly priced and great for Porsche. For MB I have a chinese star clone and a laptop

[Gogar]

I have the iCarsoft CRpro+. I bought the Porsche specific one and had it for a day or two until I realized you can have the same box with Every make for only about $50 more. So I returned it and got the CR Pro+. It can do pretty much everything except coding.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Yeah, the Foxwell 610/710 are similarly priced and great for Porsche. For MB I have a chinese star clone and a laptop

I really need to invest in a STAR clone. I don’t trust this thing to do coding. It already messed up my Ram air suspension, which I had to fix by purchasing AlfaOBD which is actually quite good for Stellantis products.

[Sarc]

Originally Posted by Gogar

The Macans it's 2018 and older that have some particular challenges re fixing common problems and bore scoring possibilities. 2019-2021 was the sweet spot for me because they still have the button controls instead of glass touch-screen everywhere stuff.

Same. While the haptic buttons on the '22 didn't bother me, I couldn't live with the gloss finish. The PCM screen is enough as it is imo.

Great looking Turbo. We just purchased this one-owner CPO 2020 S with 30k miles. It's my understanding conventional steel rotors can be used in place of the PSCBs. Hopefully I won't confirm that for a few more years.

[masraum]

When I bought my Boxster in 2014 it was CPO with 2 years of warranty. I took it to one of the Houston dealerships. They had 2 young guys that were the front end for service. I felt like I got excellent service from one of them. He fought for me for a couple of items and I got great service for anything else and costs seemed reasonable. The other guy may have been fine too, but I didn't deal with him. When my car dropped off of the CPO warranty, I thought, "I've had such great service, I'll take my car in for the next thing and see what happens." I did and it felt like the regular dealer service that you always hear about (BOHICA). That was the last time that I took my car to the dealer. (I was living in an apt at the time after downsizing, so no where/way/how to work on the car myself).

[LWJ]

I was speaking with a friend recently. He was on the BOD of a large auto dealership. Margins for parts and service? 52%.

YIKES.

That is a number that stuck with me.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by LWJ

I was speaking with a friend recently. He was on the BOD of a large auto dealership. Margins for parts and service? 52%.

YIKES.

That is a number that stuck with me.

Holy moly!

What sort of dealership? Domestic, Euro, Asian? Premium brand or standard?

[Deschodt]

Damn.. you could take the opposite tack, ONLY 52% ? Dealer service really costs that much? (that 48%) Yikes!

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by Sarc

Same. While the haptic buttons on the '22 didn't bother me, I couldn't live with the gloss finish. The PCM screen is enough as it is imo.

Yeha, apparently the vinyl wrap guys are making a fortune doing matte vinyl on VW's and Porsche's for this reason.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by Sarc

It's my understanding conventional steel rotors can be used in place of the PSCBs. Hopefully I won't confirm that for a few more years.

the rotors are a different diameter, and the white calipers are much larger than standard S calipers.

Of course you can swap calipers and just get on with it, but at that point you're almost at the same price point unless you gather a caliper here and there while you're waiting for that day.

And at that point just do the PSCB brake job and you're only going to do these brakes once unless you're a forevercar kinda person.

Time will tell because so few people have had to do the brakes on the white calipers yet.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Yeha, apparently the vinyl wrap guys are making a fortune doing matte vinyl on VW's and Porsche's for this reason.

I think he's talking about the glass panel buttons for the interior. It's a dirty fingerprint party all day all night

[Sarc]

Originally Posted by Gogar

the rotors are a different diameter, and the white calipers are much larger than standard S calipers.

Of course you can swap calipers and just get on with it, but at that point you're almost at the same price point unless you gather a caliper here and there while you're waiting for that day.

Ah that makes sense. How has your experience been with the car?

[Sarc]

Originally Posted by Gogar

I think he's talking about the glass panel buttons for the interior. It's a dirty fingerprint party all day all night

Yep. I think Greg is referring to the same thing- adding matte PPF to all the glossy interior surfaces currently in vogue.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by Sarc

Yep. I think Greg is referring to the same thing- adding matte PPF to all the glossy interior surfaces currently in vogue.

Oh ok, sorry!

[greglepore]

I was. I have no idea what it'll look like in 10 yrs, likely make sticky buttons look like a cakewalk.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Sarc

It's my understanding conventional steel rotors can be used in place of the PSCBs. Hopefully I won't confirm that for a few more years.

No idea. But the pads are specially made to match the rotors. They supposedly last ~30% longer.
https://www.jalopnik.com/1921211/porsche-tungsten-carbide-brakes/