I wouldn't race a Cayenne Turbo in my 930. The Cayenne driver just floors it, while I have to bring it to 3000 RPM, dump my clutch, and slam every gear... and if I do it all correctly... I should win... not worth it IMHO.

German SUV's (X5 and Cayenne family and twins) will embarass many cars on the road today when it comes to handling. My X5 will handle on/offramps very well (and it gives me great pleasure passing rice rockets on the outside in the X5).

Perhaps an adolescent corner for this dribble.

You guys are too hard on CreatureCat. I think he has a legitimate concern. When we were growing up, we all knew the Porsche as a very fast and potent car. And it is still that, but within context of modern machinery, it truly is no faster than a mid-level sedan.

It's always surprising when modern (and heavy) cars or trucks outrun an old 911. However, that surprise wears off quickly. Speed and purpose are different. Speed is at the ready in almost any car line available. There's a Saturn out there which can give my 911 more than enough straightline competition. But I'm not worried.

Purposefully, I don't drive my car to race other cars as more often than not if they're good drivers in modern cars, or simply ham-heeled drivers in modern cars whose only requirement is to keep the gas pedal down, in the end, I'll be beat. I drive the car because of the experience of driving something simple and non-electronically assisted; an automobile that is at its newest part (the engine) is over two-decades old. I'm proud of the fact that I drive a car that is not just reliable and classic, but is also 30 years old. Whom else can say that of their modern machinery whose lifespan is nothing longer than 5 to 7 years according to most warranties?

But look at it this way. Our old 911s still run, are paid for, and will continue to run if we maintain them. I bet our old cars are also infinitely stronger than the Cayenne. The Cayenne also looks like a VW, and the VW looks like any ubiquitous SUV/wagon. Nothing else looks like a 911, especially an older 911.

Also, as I've been told many times, the 911 is one of the most challenging cars ever produced in which one can hope to drive quickly. Bragging rights come in droves if one can say, "I drive a 911 - and fast - around a race track." As for the Cayenne, it is complex, heavy and computerized to go as fast as it does. The 911 takes skill.

I'm not going to take anything from the Cayenne - it's a nice vehicle. But that's just it: it's a vehicle. The 911, especially the older ones are a passion, and passion takes power everytime. SmileWavy

DD74 well said. Your my Hero

Anyone that says they don't OCCASIONALLY step on the loud pedal to try to make it to the next light a little bit faster than the car next to you, is either completely lying or has a less than active pulse. I built my 3.6 911 so I could beat other cars for fun. I take great pride when I do it, and on the RARE occasion that someone is a little faster than me, I humbly acknowledge it with a thumbs up. I don't make unsafe decisions, I don't "race" in traffic where you need to switch lanes or through areas where there may be pedestrians. So, immature, sure probably, but these are fun cars and going fast is fun. Most of us never see an autocross, Driver's Ed event or time trials, most of us enjoy our cars on canyon roads and normal city driving, but regardless of your purpose, we all have one thing in common, these cars are our passion. Now if I ever get beat by a Cayenne, Turbo or not, I'm going straight to my mechanic and say PUT A SUPERCHARGER ON IT!!!!!!
Scott aka Mouse

Yes CC, the times they are a changin'. There's a Golf that'll suck the doors off of most stuff out there, and it handles too. Neons, Corolla Ss, WRXs...mein Gott im Himmel! If I just had me an electric blower of some kind...

I was behind a Cayenne S one day in my 68S. When we pulled out on the hiway I figured I'd have some fun and go around him. Uhhh....NO! LOL He had the windows up and the AC on also!

Sorry CreatueCat, you came to the wrong place with your story. In the future you need to start your story with a disclaimer. This way the numerous track and DE snobs on this board will know in advance not to read your post. If you leave out this disclaimer and the snobs end up reading your post they can't walk away and feel they have no choice but to flame you; all from the safty of their keyboards of course. Yes it is sad, pitty these people. They call you imature for giving your Porsche the gas yet these mature and supior individuals revert to name calling and insults. And please don't try to change them. Anyone who uses the word "dribble" is either 80 years old and living in England or is in need of a life and way beyond hope. I guess it's obvious I've actually floored the gas on my Porsche while on the street and get offended when I'm called names for doing so. Anyone who hasn't got on the gas must have a stick so far up their butt that it's not physicaly possible for them to put the pedal to the metal.

Immature has 2 M's
Look up syntax.

He's right folks. He has a ROW Carrera, which doees 0-60 in around 5.5 seconds. Look it up. It has 231 HP for crying out loud, on a 2750 lbs chassis [ I mean, 2750 overall weight of course, not just a 2750 lbs chassis :)]
The Turbo probably was floored, I'm sure. The Turbo C does the same in around 5.6 seconds.

Thank you for living up to my every expectation Mrdi. I hope the existence of us average Joe types isn't too much of a drain on you in this self important world you have created for yourself.

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WOW!! internet citizens arrest !!!!

So does putting on make up, talking on the phone, eating, reading, fiddling with stereo etc. while driving.

Also it depends on when and where you street race.

If this was a Honda forum I'd understand, but everyone on this board is a mature adult, not some crazed 16 year olds who just watched fast and furious.

Before using a catchy new word, you may want to look it up in the dictionary. See drivel.:rolleyes:

While I'm not a 911 driver ( yet ) I think I can comment here . The last traditional 911 was built in in 1989. That makes the newest one 15 years old. Compare the 1989 911 to any other production car built in 1989 and you'll find it near the top of the pack. Remember that very few manufacturers were getting the same horsepower ratings out of a 3.2 liter displacement 6 cyl motor. I seem to recall that my 1989 Pontiac Gran Prix had a 3.1 V-6 that output about 110hp. Go back a little further to the 911 SC era and look what Detroit was getting out of 5 liter V-8's at the time: about 150 hp.

Bear in mind that the Cayenne driver is either leasing or making payments on his vehicle that would rival a mortgage! Seems like most of the Pelicanheads are taking advantage of depreciation and have $15-20k invested in a timeless classic that cost as much as house when new. Last time I looked, $15-20k pays for a used late model Ford Taurus.

Just my thoughts,

Gene

That guy driving around in a 50 or 60 year old MG knows he isn't going to win any races with anyone; he's not going to even bother. He has the satisfaction in knowing that long after the Cayenne types (fill in the blank) are gone his car will still turn heads and be looked upon with envy. Same with a 69 or 89 911 many years from now.

did I mention that we narrowly missed 2 nuns on the crosswalk AND we were racing in a school zone.

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