Are you a liberal?

[Moneyguy1]

Hey....What do you expect?

Frankly, I trust no one who rigidly adheres to any single philosophy. Such people are incapable of thinking for themselves.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by dd74
In short, this is a great tool to cause little cracks here and there in the opposition's platform.

Bravo...the cracks weren't intended with malice, but merely to open up the closed Kool-Aid drinking liberal mind.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Hey....What do you expect?

Frankly, I trust no one who rigidly adheres to any single philosophy. Such people are incapable of thinking for themselves.

Next time you get a speeding ticket I want you to use this as your defense.

[Moneyguy1]

Robot.

[notfarnow]

reminds me of this:

http://www.bettybowers.com/2004ccvoterguide.html

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by notfarnow
reminds me of this:

http://www.bettybowers.com/2004ccvoterguide.html

Go to DennisPrager.com...the difference is obvious...Yours is an overtly hate-Bush/Christian site.

[nostatic]

I'm all for bilingual education, as I think that AMERICAN kids should learn a foreign language (or in the case of LA, a local language), and preferably, the sooner the better. Studies have shown that learning multiple languages is easiest if started at a young age, and that scores in other subjects are improved by learning more than one languages. Combine that with the potential social benefits and I'm afraid I don't see a down side.

[island911]

Originally posted by nostatic
. . ., and that scores in other subjects are improved by learning more than one languages. Combine that with the potential social benefits and I'm afraid I don't see a down side.

Yeah? . . .

Whats the Spanish word for "enabling" ?

[nostatic]

nope. You have the immigrants learn english, and the "white kids" learn spanish. Why is that so bad? Other than the fact that it rocks the "ethno-centric" view of America.

[notfarnow]

nostatic

True enough! Furthermore, learning another language also allows you to hear and understand ideas and perpectives from different areas around the world. I was in a french immersion program until the 12th grade... my french skills allow me to read news from Africa, India, France etc... without having the stories "filtered" through local media.

[island911]

Originally posted by nostatic
nope. You have the immigrants learn english, and the "white kids" learn spanish. Why is that so bad? Other than the fact that it rocks the "ethno-centric" view of America.

Right, nothing wrong with that. But, " Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, " is essentially code for "let them learn english later. . .if they want to"

[techweenie]

Originally posted by notfarnow
True enough! Furthermore, learning another language also allows you to hear and understand ideas and perpectives from different areas around the world.

Bienvenue!

[notfarnow]

island911:

"Right, nothing wrong with that. But, " Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, " is essentially code for "let them learn english later. . .if they want to"

two words... so what?

I mean really... what is wrong with people not speaking the same language as you?

techweenie:

merci! Ca fait longtempts que je suive ce site, et j'apprecie votre "bienvenue".

[island911]

Originally posted by notfarnow
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two words... so what?

I mean really... what is wrong with people not speaking the same language as you?
.

nothing. . .as long as they stay in their own country.

Seriously, nothing divides a common culture/nation like seperate languages. Take a look at your Canada. The French speaking section has made efforts to secede from the rest of te nation.

If there exists an interest to bring people together then common communication is a must.

My guess is, that if you heard a story of an expat (US) living in Mexico, who refused to learn the local language, you would have a different position.

. . or are you just against all communications?

If they move here, they should be learned to talk rite. Teach Americanese - it's the right thang to do.....

[notfarnow]

"Take a look at Canada. The French speaking section has made efforts to secede from the rest of te nation."

well, actually it's not as simple as that.

In fact, many would argue that Quebec's struggle for independance has strenghened provincial governments, and assured that every area of the country is given proper representation. Quebec's fight for independance, in many ways, was a fight for provincial autonomy... much like american state vs federal issues.

[notfarnow]

"My guess is, that if you heard a story of an expat (US) living in Mexico, who refused to learn the local language, you would have a different position."

My father has lived in Montreal for 15 years and doesn't speak a word of french... but that's OK because businesses in Montreal understand that you have to be able to serve english, french customers. Not to mention Chinese, Arab, Jamaican.....

Hasn't hurt Montreal.

[dd74]

Originally posted by island911

Seriously, nothing divides a common culture/nation like seperate languages. Take a look at your Canada. The French speaking section has made efforts to secede from the rest of te nation.

If there exists an interest to bring people together then common communication is a must.

This is very true since culture does spawn from language. It is one thing to travel to France or French Quebec and find you have to speak French to find the bathroom or order dinner, but it is a vastly different thing to find your language and a good portion of your culture no longer applies in your own neighborhood, which is what upsets many people in Los Angeles who have grown up speaking English in Los Angeles. Until someone has been through the process of losing their language to another which has been forced upon them - English to Spanish in this case - they don't know what they're talking about as far as it being a "good thing" to learn a new language. Instead, they are forced to learn a new language, not invited to learn a new language.

Here's another tidbit: I can safely say every Latino who has gone through the correct procedures to become an American citizen also speaks proper English. And nearly every Latino who has not gone through the correct procedure does not speak English. But that's just my experience. Still, I think its somewhat ironic.

[notfarnow]

well up here we're experiencing a noticeable growth in Asian communities. When I was in high school you NEVER heard chinese or japanese. Now you hear it everywhere. On the bus, at the university, at the grocery store... It took some getting used to but I like it... I guess I'll have to learn cantonese.

[island911]

Originally posted by notfarnow
two words... so what?
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... It took some getting used to but I like it... I guess I'll have to learn cantonese.

So you advocate people learning others languages . .. unless they are Mexicans living in America.(?)