Terminator signs Bill in CA

[juanbenae]

matt got a lead for you on a very cherry 76S non-sunroof coupe, minus motor. oh yeah, the 3.0L motor in your 74 will not pass smog in a in a 76 chassis. that must suck that this sweet, rust free chassis will do you no good. and after the govs bill approval that chassis was going to be dirt cheap today. sucks for YOU to now eh?

so join along with rest of us belly-aching cry babies now. oh yeah, on a positive note,, that 74 chassis you have now just became more valuable on paper.

[dd74]

Originally posted by k911sc
matt got a lead for you on a very cherry 76S non-sunroof coupe, minus motor. oh yeah, the 3.0L motor in your 74 will not pass smog in a in a 76 chassis. that must suck that this sweet, rust free chassis will do you no good. and after the govs bill approval that chassis was going to be dirt cheap today. sucks for YOU to now eh?

so join along with rest of us belly-aching cry babies now. oh yeah, on a positive note,, that 74 chassis you have now just became more valuable on paper.

Hold on there, chief. Ever consider that the 3.0 motor is miles more efficient and environmentally nice than a 2.7. Plus, it's been so long since a tech guy has seen a 2.7 or 3.0 (they're identical, after all), that he probably wouldn't know what to look for.

All I'm saying - for the engine swappers - is the newer the (stock) motor, the more likely you will pass smog.

[MichiganMat]

Originally posted by k911sc
matt got a lead for you on a very cherry 76S non-sunroof coupe, minus motor. oh yeah, the 3.0L motor in your 74 will not pass smog in a in a 76 chassis. that must suck that this sweet, rust free chassis will do you no good. and after the govs bill approval that chassis was going to be dirt cheap today. sucks for YOU to now eh?

If its really sweet I'll hook up a smog pump and run that beotch. Yeah, I know Im one to talk ('74 with a de-smog'd 3.0), but still agree with the Terminators judgement. The law is easy enough for us car-guys (the minority) to get around while holding the majority of the public to high standard. Hey, I've got to get my AWD Subaru smogged on a special dyno, its not all fun-n-games over here.

BTW, SCs are not classics, Carreras are definitely not classics. Speedsters, '57 Chevs, and rag-top Bugs are classics.

[juanbenae]

and one more thing, that 76 just had the suspension refreshed.......

depends what side of the leiber/machado (bill authors) line (75) you fall on. if your on my side you are a crying belly acher (and i am as i type), or your side, you just smile, throw stones, and imagine how great your position is.

really all its done is cost a california business (SSI, out of vallejo) the profit from one set of heat exchangers, cost UPS the shipping cost, cost wyane his 50%-60% mark up on the sale of the SSI's new daul inlet mufler, and oil lines. and oh yeah, all the fasteners i will toast as i disassemble my system.

will i still do these mods? probally. will i enjoy swapping the whole exhaust system over every two years? sure after the 1st time, this car is a hobby as well as a love, so more garage time will not kill me. i guess like my recent suspension rebuild, after the 1st time i could do it in my sleep. the thing that worries me is the long term health of my oxy pump. i think when i remove it next fall after my next (no longer last) i will figure out a way to have it despense toilet paper. see if drawing the paper from the roll spins the pump pully i will "exercise" it every morning whilest i drop my kids at the pool. that way it will get spun everyday and not freeze up like ive heard happens if you store them.


whos doing the tech article on rebuild and maintanence of 74-79 911 smog pumps? will be a hottie real soon.

[chibone_914]

The problem is that a lot of smog equipment has been discontinued/no longer available. What do you then?

Do you still have to go to the Referee's station for inspection and a reason you cannot comply with the new regulations?

[TerryH]

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
.......First of all, it's still illegal to do so under Federal Statues

My favorite Federal Statue is the Lincoln Memorial. What goes on under the statues by consenting adults shouldn't be illegal.

[Zeke]

Look, guys, in 3 more years, the way it is now before the bill takes effect; years '76-79 would have been allowed to become exempt from biannual inspection. If it's old clunkers you're talking about, how many of these things would have survived that long?


I guess the DMV knows how many, and what type of 30 yr old cars are registered. I don't. Long Beach was the poorest city in the ENTIRE state in 2002 with the highest number of residents living below the national established poverty level. This is the last year that statistics are available thru the US Census Bureau and things haven't gotten any better. So, if that's the situation, you'd have to believe that LB would have a lot of clunkers running around. Not as far as I can see.

This law is pure BS, it's a political agenda for some legislators to get their name on a bill and a bunch have tried before. It just didn't make it to the governor's desk before, that I know of. One of the former bill authors was Dan Flores of the San Joaquin Valley. They have some serious smog there in the southern valley. They also have a very low population density. So where does their smog come from?

Well, they have the oil industry and the farming industry. Farming is almost completely unregulated. Maybe smog comes from something other than 30 year old cars. You think?


What was Flores' interest in the bill? It was even pointed out to him that many field laborers were driving older cars to work (that were parked for 10-12 hours) and that his bill would make them suffer. They were talking about Mexican laborers and Flores is of Mexican descent. Again, ask yourself, what was he doing? Does money talk in this scenario? It doesn't add up.

As some have pointed out here, they're looking in the wrong places. You who think the time has come for more government regulation (yes, I understand that we're not talking about a whole new system here, just modifying the old one) can look forward to more oppressive government regulation as the proverbial foot gets in the door. No doubt about it, I don't favor this and don't think the facts support this move to inspect the dwindling number of older transportation vehicles in order to reduce smog is valid.

So, I don't agree with those of you that support or even tolerate this legislation. I'm pissed as a long time car freak. I stand for the car enthusiast, plain and simple. You want to legislate more of what I can do and can't do, especially on an old car that you hardly see, well, you can suck on my tail pipe.

I really can't get behind a bunch of let's-all-live-in-a-tree socialists. (I didn't capitalize that word, so I didn't call anyone a member of a politcal party.)

logging off pissed

[pauls81sc]

FOR SALE: 1981 911 SC, Good condition. Asking $5000
Or will trade for 1975 or older rolling chassis

(Not really, just how I feel right now.)

[MichiganMat]

Ah, so theres a bigger agenda here than what I first thought:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/09/24/greenhouseemissions.ap/index.html

TITLE: "CA tightens auto emission regulations"

California air regulators Friday unanimously approved the world's most stringent rules to reduce auto emissions that contribute to global warming -- a move that could affect car and truck buyers from coast to coast.

Under the regulations, the auto industry must cut exhaust from cars and light trucks by 25 percent and from larger trucks and sport utility vehicles by 18 percent.

...

The new standards could have coast-to-coast effect: Because California represents 10 percent of the national auto market, the auto industry often overhauls all of its cars to meet California's standards.

Also, other states sometimes follow California's lead when it comes to adopting clean-air standards. In fact, New York has already said it would adopt the new regulations, and several other Northeastern states and Canada are expected to do the same.

[BigD9146gt]

I think Arnold would care if it was his Hummer on the line here.... If he had to smog that, then he would care. But he's so well off and drives street legal tanks that don't require smog... what the hell does he care?

You can't like 100% of any politition, but as said earlier, early gasoline cars are being way over targeted....

I'm all for cracking down on polluting machines, but it needs to be fare, desiel cars, trucks, trains, planes and boats. At least put something in the works for the rest of them. It used to be coal that got all the attention, now that its vertually gone, we;re the marter for the entire fossil fuel community

['76 911S 3.0]

I too am all for getting rid of the black smoke spewing machines out on the road today. But the fact of the matter is, for us owners who's car does run clean with or without OEM smog equipment, we should not be penalized. And by penalized I mean that we should not be required to have OEM smog equippment as a requirement to pass. My car has a catalytic converter that cleans the exhaust so well, I can practically stick my nose in the pipe and not smell a thing. But when a car rolls down the road and you can smell it a 1/4 mile behind it, or you can see the smoke before you even see the car, then it should be taken car of. All I'm trying to say is when this law goes into effect, it should aslo carry along with it something that states that any pre '84 (around there) can be checked for no visible leaks and then run on the sniff test. No visual crap, just check to make sure that there are no major exhaust leaks. This OEM setup is what's going to screw us. I don't mind having to have the car smogged every two years, just get rid of the OEM rules.

[rrpjr]

To those who closely watch California politics, the governor's signature on this bill was entirely predictable . He'd been running up a tab of vetos. The "classic car lobby" is insignificant to him in relation to the powers he was, is, and always will be compelled to appease.

Yes, he is planning to be president. His ambition is absolutely ferocious and to be the first immigrant president fits right into the vision of his own grand destiny which he has publicly alluded to on many occasions.

[dd74]

Does this bill also apply to those wretched old Mercedes diesels I see in the Fairfax District?

[dd74]

Originally posted by rrpjr
To those who closely watch California politics, the governor's signature on this bill was entirely predictable . He'd been running up a tab of vetos. The "classic car lobby" is insignificant to him in relation to the powers he was, is, and always will be compelled to appease.

Yes, he is planning to be president. His ambition is absolutely ferocious and to be the first immigrant president fits right into the vision of his own grand destiny which he has publicly alluded to on many occasions.

Exactly. And don't think the Kennedys wouldn't like one of their own (by marriage) in the W.H., since it looks like Teddy's all but done on that front.

[temo79]

You could also pay $$ to have someone help "pass" smog every 2 years:
lets say $300 every 2 yrs. = $150 per year =$12.5 a month

not that ive done this

[Maltese Falcon]

Win some -Lose some : Arnold lost at his first attempt in Hollywood , when he came to the USA and went to the Wm. Morris Agency. The agent told him that he was of gargantuan proportions, spoke with a strange accent and proll'y couldn't read a script, and was shown the door. Needless to say Arnold lived to fight another day...gathered himself, went elsewhere and reached his goals. BTW, the Wm. Morris agent was then sent on unpaid leave for terminating Arnold !
With A.B. 2683 we as car guys/ gals were dealt with an unfair hand. We will eventually get a fair smog law here (sooner the better) so hate the game NOT the player. Us Kalifornians will have our word spoken come next Gubernator election day.
This new smog law is just as bizzare as having him as Governor of this state in the first place.

[AntiCHP]

Milt's right. His passionate reply hits the sentiment I feel right on the spot.

The thing is, you can cheer for the "positive" effects of this legistlation all you want, the bottom line is there is a whole seperate "pollution credit" economy of sorts motivating this program, not the cleaning up of the air so many people seem to believe.

So, if your clunker 1977 Caprice fires on 5 cylinders, detonates on the others, & smokes like a nervous defendant and somehow doesn't pass smog, and, as you have had verified by the referee stations, it can not be made to pass the minimum standard for that year... well, you can always elect to have the car crushed. (!) I don't recall the specifics, but I believe a registered owner -having gone through all the hoops- can receive up to $500. So, don't sweat it on selling you're '76 Carrera 3.0. You can just have it crushed and get the $500. Doesn' that sound a lot easier?

California has a (nother) dilema on it's hands in that it seeks to restrict total pollution state-wide to a certain level, but has a large number of businesses (refineries for example) which create a lot of smog, but also generate a lot of tax revenue (payroll and otherwise). Big business packs more punch that a handlful of gearhead motorists. "They can't, singlehandedly, ensure my reelection... and for me to appear to not care for the enviornment would cost me far more votes... As governator, I say, 'screw 'em'".

A big/commercial business, however, can buy the "smog credit" created by your crushed car [since the pollution removed by your crushed car can be qunatified?] to offset the pollution it is creating. If the polluting firm has enough credits to offset it's manufacturing-related emmissions then they don't pay a (or as much of a) fine.

So you can't kill a Scorpion with your bare hands, but it's pretty easy to squish a gillion ants -one at a time.

The whole damn thing is a money-making political sham. I'm appalled that the Hummer enthusiast didn't back us up with a veto.

I say, screw 'em! Take your car to your buddy's house up in Oregon or Nevada and have your car registered to his house!

And, NO! Those smoke-belching Mercedes deisel and semi's are exempt from the smog check program -because everybody knows they run a lot cleaner than a well-maintained 1978 911SC.

Maybe the time has come to build a protest car:
a W123-chassis (240D, 300D, 300TD) Mercedes: Small 4 door sedan, devoid of power assessories, and shoe-horn a european 5.0 V8 from an SEL. License plate: "Smogdis". Might as well leave "240D" and "Diesel" on the back...

Mike

[Zeke]

That's right. Smogdis, Arnold.

[pwd72s]

First they came for the '75's, but my car wasn't a '75, so I didn't care...

[dd74]

Funny how this has gone through certain circles. Today, a guy showed up in front of our building in a very clean 280ZX. I asked him what he thought of Arnold's decision. He said basically what's being said on this thread. So word's getting around.

You think Leno might mention it tonight?