I'm not getting drawn into this crap today. Opinions such as "Liberalism is simply the modern day advocacy of the Roman Pagan Empire." are not even worthy of response.

No Cam...I am anti-heresy.

I have to agree with you, Cam. Again.

Mul, you didn't do what I suggested last time you were here. There is a thread called "Conservative Christian" which you would find fascinating. If you read it. And if your brain were in the "ON" position.

Are the Jews not heretical too, if Catholics are?

Oh yeah, wasn't Jesus friends with the tax collectors? Even though they were reviled (presumably by Republicans - jokes :D).

I am trying to understand what you keep and throw out of the Bible straight...So you are saying that Christ meeting with the tax-collector (highly reviled at the time) was advocacy of taxation and elevation of taxation as a virtue?...Or does it seem more logical to you that Jesus met with the worst among us, like the tax-collector.

Of course I agree. Just because Jesus would not be a Republican does not mean he would be a Democrat - or belong to the ACLU- or be any more political than as depicted in the NT.

Good...I never suggested Jesus or his Father were card carrying members either way...It would be ridiculous to do so.

That said, it is no secret which party tends to favor Christians and which does not.

I'd agree Christ would be neither. Remember the "whose image is on this coin?" question, and the "Give to Ceasar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's" teaching? Clearly, in this passage and in others He was making a sharp division between His concern, and the worldly ones. Government ones. He was apolitical, clearly. So no, He would no doubt reject both parties.

But again, for a more clear vision of the very obvious difference between Christian teaching and Capitalism, Mul, you would read the Conservative Christian thread. But then, you'd have to THINK about that discussion as you read it, so I'm pretty sure a Search would be a waste of your time.

...and if you aborted said fetus, would that be analogous to Crucifixion? And would said fetus 'rise again'?

Most thought-provoking, Shaun.



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Hey, you two in the back row, knock it off!

Can you give it a rest for one minute?

I agree with your first statement, and what I've said is pretty consistent with that (the tax collector thing was jokes, remember - I do read the same Bible as you).

But you can't resist throwing in the second, divisive bit. Honestly, you are one of the most divisive people I've come across in my life. It's hard work. I'm far more moderate in real life, but feel compelled to argue against your extreme statements. I hope like hell the real Jason is more moderate than the online one.

Speaking of which, you never clarified if you feel the Jews are heretical like you feel Catholics are.

Jesus in no way advocated or expressed loyalty to Rome...Rome had no authority over Jesus (other than to kill him--much like Rome's modern day advocates)...Jesus certainly did not advocate homosexuality or abortion...Jesus was killed by Rome, much like today's Rome is attempting to do to his Church...It is persecution all over again.

Coming from a liberal, where black is white and white is black, where the Bible can be sliced and diced for advantage either way (much like the Constitution), I will take that as a compliment.

Petty insults, unfortunately, become you...or I should say, "you have become."

Cam...Are you saying that noting the obvious is divisive?...It is no revelation that those who profess Christ are ridiculed, belittled, denigrated and demonized regularly by the Democrat party (unless of course you think the Bible is not trustworthy -- those types liberals love).

Howard Dean (DNC head-honcho) said, regarding Republicans, "it's pretty much a white, Christian party." (little hint, Cam, he wasn't using the description as a compliment)

Cam, I cannot believe I am having to explain to you the obvious.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the Father except through me."

John 14:6

Are you saying that noting the obvious is divisive?

After you'd said something conciliatory, yes, saying what you did was divisive (I've never noticed that divisive has too many i's and v's. Less divisive would be encouraging Democrats to be more Christian.

So, in summary, you do consider Jews to be heretical, but worthy of defending despite their heresy, and Catholics to be heretical, but worthy of attacks because of their heresy.

What was my first post in this thread again?

Your first post was equal to the Pharisees asking Jesus, "Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"...A simple trick.

I admire much about both Catholicism and Judaism, but those who teach heresy are bound for hell...Not based on my judgement, but Jesus'.

Dude, there is no trick. I just want you to STFU on hassling Catholics.

I don't care if you consider Catholicism to preach heresy - I'm more worried about what God thinks. I'm not sure who or how you think you're helping in this thread, but I'm not sure that Catholic-bashing should be a priority in anyone's life, let alone another Christian.

I go to church and am involved there, I pray, I read the bible. I believe in God. WTF should I have to listen to you telling me I'm heretical, and "doing it wrong" (quote marks mine, before you get all prissy).

I think you are fine if you do not think that you need an ordained priest to absolve you of sins, if you do not worship graven images or pray to (including through) any dead personage other than the living God, as long as you do not chant or elevate any person above any other...It is my duty as a Christian, a Bible believing strict constructionist, one who does not take from or add to the Bible that which makes me "feel good", to correct errancy.