saddam on trial

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by on-ramp
Bush is a murderer of American soldiers, innocent men/women in Iraq and a thief of the dollars we tax payers send to our government.

He declared war on a nation that posed absolutely no clear and present danger to this nation. none. Iraq posed no clear and present danger and was never an imminent threat....he knew this but declared war anyway.
he had no legal right to do this.

Bush needs to be tried for his crimes in front of an international court.

what's good for the goose...

Did you think the same thing of every previous president who also sent troops into battle? They've all done it.

[Mulhollanddose]

Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity.
In a passage not used by "Nightline," Tierney says Saddam declares: "Terrorism is coming. ... In the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. What if we consider this technique, with smuggling?"

Saddam had a direct relationship with al qaeda.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose


Saddam had a direct relationship with al qaeda.

No, Mul-berry, that's a lie. You no doubt wish it were true, then all of your sycophantic messages would be vindicated. That's not going to happen.

[Mulhollanddose]

Note to self: Introduce my foot to pat's hindquarters.

Originally posted by fastpat
No, Mul-berry, that's a lie. You no doubt wish it were true, then all of your sycophantic messages would be vindicated. That's not going to happen.

THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: "Well, that's what our staff has found. Now, it doesn't mean there weren't al Qaeda connections with Iraq over the years. They're somewhat shadowy, but I think they were there. But with 9/11, no, our staff has found no evidence of that."

MATTHEWS (leftist propagandist in journalistic drag): "Mr. Hamilton, so many polls have been taken that shows the American people, almost three-quarters of the people, believe there was a connection. How do we rectify that? Is your commission going to clarify that to the extent that people won't still be singing country music that says “remember how you felt?”

LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN: "All we can do is state as clearly as we can what the evidence is that we have found. We have found no operational collaboration between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden with regard to attacks on the United States. That conclusion is a very firm one that we have reached.

What the governor referred to is also true. There are all kinds of ties. There are all kinds of connections. And it may very well have been that Osama bin Laden or some of his lieutenants met at some time with Saddam Hussein lieutenants."


This proves conclusively that fastpat and Chris Matthews are working for the same leftist propagandists.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
No, Mul-berry, that's a lie. You no doubt wish it were true, then all of your sycophantic messages would be vindicated. That's not going to happen.

9-11 Final Report:

""After Bin Ladin's public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one or perhaps both of these meetings were apparently arranged through Bin Ladin's Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis."

[Mulhollanddose]

Patsy?...are all these connections lies?...If so, who orchestrated them?

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddams hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.

* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam's son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddams mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in Khartoum, according to Mr. Powell.

* An al Qaeda operative now held by the U.S. confessed that in the mid-1990s, bin Laden had forged an agreement with Saddams men to cease all terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraqs mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to Janes Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Janes reported that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaedas No. 2 man.

* As recently as 2001, Iraqs embassy in Pakistan was used as a "liaison" between the Iraqi dictator and al Qaeda, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* Spanish investigators have uncovered documents seized from Yusuf Galan -- who is charged by a Spanish court with being "directly involved with the preparation and planning" of the Sept. 11 attacks -- that show the terrorist was invited to a party at the Iraqi embassy in Madrid. The invitation used his "al Qaeda nom de guerre," Londons Independent reports.

* An Iraqi defector to Turkey, known by his cover name as "Abu Mohammed," told Gwynne Roberts of the Sunday Times of London that he saw bin Ladens fighters in camps in Iraq in 1997. At the time, Mohammed was a colonel in Saddams Fedayeen. He described an encounter at Salman Pak, the training facility southeast of Baghdad. At that vast compound run by Iraqi intelligence, Muslim militants trained to hijack planes with knives -- on a full-size Boeing 707. Col. Mohammed recalls his first visit to Salman Pak this way: "We were met by Colonel Jamil Kamil, the camp manager, and Major Ali Hawas. I noticed that a lot of people were queuing for food. (The major) said to me: Youll have nothing to do with these people. They are Osama bin Ladens group and the PKK and Mojahedin-e Khalq."

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddams son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

*The Sunday Times found a Saddam loyalist in a Kurdish prison who claims to have been Dr. Zawahiris bodyguard during his 1992 visit with Saddam in Baghdad. Dr. Zawahiri was a close associate of bin Laden at the time and was present at the founding of al Qaeda in 1989.

* Following the defeat of the Taliban, almost two dozen bin Laden associates "converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there," Mr. Powell told the United Nations in February 2003. From their Baghdad base, the secretary said, they supervised the movement of men, materiel and money for al Qaedas global network.

* In 2001, an al Qaeda member "bragged that the situation in Iraq was good," according to intelligence made public by Mr. Powell.

* That same year, Saudi Arabian border guards arrested two al Qaeda members entering the kingdom from Iraq.

* Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi oversaw an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, Mr. Powell told the United Nations. His specialty was poisons. Wounded in fighting with U.S. forces, he sought medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002. When Zarqawi recovered, he restarted a training camp in northern Iraq. Zarqawis Iraq cell was later tied to the October 2002 murder of Lawrence Foley, an official of the U.S. Agency for International Development, in Amman, Jordan. The captured assassin confessed that he received orders and funds from Zarqawis cell in Iraq, Mr. Powell said. His accomplice escaped to Iraq.

*Zarqawi met with military chief of al Qaeda, Mohammed Ibrahim Makwai (aka Saif al-Adel) in Iran in February 2003, according to intelligence sources cited by the Washington Post.

* Mohammad Atef, the head of al Qaedas military wing until the U.S. killed him in Afghanistan in November 2001, told a senior al Qaeda member now in U.S. custody that the terror network needed labs outside of Afghanistan to manufacture chemical weapons, Mr. Powell said. "Where did they go, where did they look?" said the secretary. "They went to Iraq."

* Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi was sent to Iraq by bin Laden to purchase poison gases several times between 1997 and 2000. He called his relationship with Saddams regime "successful," Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.

* Documents found among the debris of the Iraqi Intelligence Center show that Baghdad funded the Allied Democratic Forces, a Ugandan terror group led by an Islamist cleric linked to bin Laden. According to a Londons Daily Telegraph, the organization offered to recruit "youth to train for the jihad" at a "headquarters for international holy warrior network" to be established in Baghdad.

* Mullah Melan Krekar, ran a terror group (the Ansar al-Islam) linked to both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Mr. Krekar admitted to a Kurdish newspaper that he met bin Laden in Afghanistan and other senior al Qaeda officials. His acknowledged meetings with bin Laden go back to 1988. When he organized Ansar al Islam in 2001 to conduct suicide attacks on Americans, "three bin Laden operatives showed up with a gift of $300,000 to undertake jihad," Newsday reported. Mr. Krekar is now in custody in the Netherlands. His group operated in portion of northern Iraq loyal to Saddam Hussein -- and attacked independent Kurdish groups hostile to Saddam. A spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan told a United Press International correspondent that Mr. Krekars group was funded by "Saddam Husseins regime in Baghdad."

* After October 2001, hundreds of al Qaeda fighters are believed to have holed up in the Ansar al-Islams strongholds inside northern Iraq.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Patsy?...are all these connections lies?...If so, who orchestrated them?

They're lies. The Hussein government had no connection with or relationship of any kind with Al Queda; quite the opposite in fact Hussein actively hunted them down, tried, and sent them to death whenever possible.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
They're lies. The Hussein government had no connection with or relationship of any kind with Al Queda; quite the opposite in fact Hussein actively hunted them down, tried, and sent them to death whenever possible.

So the 9-11 Commission was lying too?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
They're lies. The Hussein government had no connection with or relationship of any kind with Al Queda; quite the opposite in fact Hussein actively hunted them down, tried, and sent them to death whenever possible.

I have presented my mountains of evidence that proves you a liar...Now you prove that Saddam had no connections with al qaeda.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by fastpat
They're lies. The Hussein government had no connection with or relationship of any kind with Al Queda; quite the opposite in fact Hussein actively hunted them down, tried, and sent them to death whenever possible.

Since a lot of them pre-date the Bush'ist fatwa, who orchestrated these lies?...Was it the JOOOOOOOOS?

[kach22i]

Originally posted by on-ramp
Bush is a murderer of American soldiers, innocent men/women in Iraq and a thief of the dollars we tax payers send to our government.

He declared war on a nation that posed absolutely no clear and present danger to this nation. none. Iraq posed no clear and present danger and was never an imminent threat....he knew this but declared war anyway.
he had no legal right to do this.

Bush needs to be tried for his crimes in front of an international court.

what's good for the goose...

Yep the truth is out there if you bother to notice. Well said On-Ramp.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Victor
Steve, here's the latest news.

Saddam admits to razing farms


Saddam Hussein has admitted giving orders that led to the execution of Shiite Muslims in the 1980s, but justified the punishment as his right as Iraq's president, saying: "Where is the crime?"

Reuters

Nothing like that admission was in the news release. Someone made that up?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Since a lot of them pre-date the Bush'ist fatwa, who orchestrated these lies?...Was it the JEWS?

No, I don't think so, but it could have been the Likudists in Israel. I'd suspect they have many authors, all sharing a similar goal. Ahmad Challabi was the fraudulent source of much of it, and he has ties to Israel and the Iranians.