Gays are "Disordered"

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally posted by Superman
I'm as straight as an arrow. Let me just place that up front.

Then why are you wearing tights in public?

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Homo, hetero, bi, whatever...

The Church should clean its own house before it opens its fool mouth.

"Hello, Mr. Pot? This is Mr. Kettle calling. There's something you should know..."

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
I am asking because I do not know...

Is the alleged hedonistic urges and propensity for certain dangerous behaviors a result of internal conflict? Is is possible that such behavior is an attempt to compensate for behavior that even they feel is somehow "wrong"? In other words, an internal control of some kind that is overruled and that leads to doubt?

Like I said, I do not know what drives people in their choices; but I am curious abvout other paople's opinions on the subject.

Hold on a second, are you all saying ONLY homosexuals participate in dangerous sexual conduct?

I had an employee who was a normal every day American kid, he liked girls and liked to party like most every 21 year old in america.

He refuses to wear a condom and prefers to pull out for the money shot. He also bangs chicks like a rabbit sometimes 2 at a time. One night stands being his forte.

His behavior is not dangerous and a homosexuals similar behavior (sans partner choice) is?

This employee also got the dreaded phone call from a weekend lay that she was 3 weeks late. I call that more dangerous than anything a Homosexual is doing because in my beliefs now a 3rd life was being affected. Of course he wanted her to abort, sadly she had a miscarraige.

[the]

If you're saying you know where the hetero equivalents of gay bars, gyms and bathhouses are in every major city where a below average old hetero can get hooked up with several hot gals at a time . . . let us know where!

Wimmen are getting more liberated, but c'mon . . . as a group there is still some chase left in them. Man on man? There's no rev-limiter on that engine!

[sammyg2]

The world would be a better place if everyone were gay.

That was good, but I can't help but wonder where the next generation would come from? maybe you were intending to say that the world would be a better place if the human race died off, I probably would not argue with that. In the big scheme of things, we are parasites, a plague, an infection on mother earth.
Sup was right, we are a flawed and "broken" race.

We are fraught with temptations. One of those is sins of the flesh. We have choices to make. Good or bad, righteous or evil, whatever you want to label them.

Often we must choose. Often we make the wrong choice.
The bible tells me that God accepts that we are all sinners. He still loves us when we make the wrong choice, as long as we accept him as our savior and try to repent.
The bible says that God hates the sin, not the sinner. I try to go along with that but I'm not as good at it as I should be.
The bible is very clear about homosexuality. There is no reason for confusion. It states that the act of man lying down with man is a sin, which God finds detestable. We know what was going on in Sodom , much of the same things that are going on today in the world. Some US cities have been copmpared to Sodom, places like San Francisco, West hollywood, Laguna Beach, etc. If you agree with that, fine. if you disagree, fine.

The catholic church practices a wide variety of things, many of which are not in the bible.
If the pope tells them to do something, they do it and it becomes tradition. Not eating meat on friday is one of those traditions. I'm not bagging on them for that, I'm just saying.

My religion is an offshoot of the Catholic religion, Martin Luther was a priest who spoke out against many things the catholic church did way back then. The pope threw him in jail for it.

Basically we believe that if it's not in the Bible, we don't practice or preach it.
Naturally that means that some of my beliefs are at odds with theirs, or maybe it's the other way around.

BTW, elton john publically stated the other day that all religions should be banned.
Typical. A homosexual tells us that we should accept his sins as normal, but we should not be allowed freedom of religion.
I said a prayer for him, and also asked forgiveness for thinking the bad things I thought about him, his lifestyle, and his "ideas".

[kang]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
I am asking because I do not know...

Is the alleged hedonistic urges and propensity for certain dangerous behaviors a result of internal conflict? Is is possible that such behavior is an attempt to compensate for behavior that even they feel is somehow "wrong"? In other words, an internal control of some kind that is overruled and that leads to doubt?

Like I said, I do not know what drives people in their choices; but I am curious abvout other paople's opinions on the subject.

Perhaps these behaviors are a response to what society does to them.

[the]

Or they just really like stuffing the sausage.

[bt1211]

qouting elton john (for any reason ) sounds gay to me

[kang]

Do you feel the same way about gay animals?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6066606.stm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html


This recent article about Haggard is very interesting. Here are a couple of quotes from it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_on_re_us/haggard_therapy_debate

"Haggard is Exhibit A of how people can't change their sexual orientation," said Wayne Besen, a gay-rights activist and author. "With all that he had to lose — a wife, children, a huge church — he had to be who he was in the end. He couldn't pray away the gay."

NARTH's views are considered fringe by the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association. Both declared in the 1970s that homosexuality was not a mental disorder and does not warrant a "cure."

[bt1211]

Kang thanks for posting those articles.
In school this was a research project and it freaked out half the class. Those that advacated homosexuality was a choice had a hard time adjusting to this info. I'm sure others here will have the same problem.

[Jims5543]

Heres the funny part Sammy. Who cares what Elton John has to say, he is a singer, he is no scholar he is an entertainer. Nothing more. Sort of a court jester is you will. Sing me a song Biatch!!

[Hugh R]

Originally posted by m21sniper
On a related note, i just figured out that my little sister (19yo) is a carpet muncher this last weekend. LOL...

Can I watch?

[Superman]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
Then why are you wearing tights in public?

I've never worn tights in public. Dresses and skirts, sure. Not tights, though.

[Burnin' oil]

Originally posted by Superman
I've never worn tights in public. Dresses and skirts, sure. Not tights, though.

Super is so confident in his heterosexuality that multiple liasons with men do not affect it.

[Superman]

Homosexual inclinations do not just go away. Temptations to lie and cheat are always with us, also. And sexual temptations, regardless of preference. Most of us have said "no" to temptations to lie and cheat on so many occasions, so consistently, that those temptations whisper at us, but do not shout. Give in, and they will shout.

I personally believe that homosexual inclinations are no different. I believe homosexual fukking is wrong. Fornication and adultery are also wrong. "Wrong" and "right" also serve as guidelines for living a good and happy life, in addition to living a life that pleases God.

I believe this to the degree that I regard homosexuality (the kind where the guy is not attracted to females) as a call to live a pious life. This person has a steeper slope to climb than most. What he is asked to do is to deny these urges. Consistently. Denying urges raises our spirituality. Most religions suggest or require self-denial. Fasting is a common method of moving toward spiritual purity and spiritual openness. And frankly, it works. By the time this homosexual guy gets consistently on top of these urges and is successfully living a life that pleases God, this person will be very spiritual. Inspirational. And so, here is where it gets tough. This person should probably be serving in a ministerial role of some kind. Unfortunately, we now know that the clergy has had a good number of similarly-situated souls, and that when they slip up......we have clergy members having sex with boys. Not good.

Some of you know very well that walking the spiritual path means you get more grace.......and more trials. It is the hard liquor of faith. Most folks just get the beer and wine. Those who choose to follow God get the good stuff. Because they can handle it.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Burnin' oil
Super is so confident in his heterosexuality that multiple liasons with men do not affect it.

Not sure what is meant by this. But the skirts and dresses are not for the purpose of attracting homosexual attention. I wear them just because they make me feel pretty.

(always imagine I am laughing as I post)

[sammyg2]

Yiou can bring up those articles every time there is a discussion of homosexuality (and you do) but I say consider the source.
Some people have dedicated their lives trying to justify a homosexual lifestyle by saying that animals do it too. IMO There is a serious credibilty issue here. What is their motivation, and is their objectivity affected by it?
If you want to believe those articles and they help your life make sense then by all means go ahead but don't try to use them to support your point of view, your data is flawed.

[sammyg2]

Like it or not elton john is a celebrity, he was knighted by the queen (no comment), and he is also at times an unofficial spokesperson for homosexuality.
Right or wrong, what he says is important to many people.
He is saying that I should be denied my right to worship.
I take issue with that.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by kang
Perhaps these behaviors are a response to what society does to them.

Gays very much want us to believe this really is a "chicken or the egg" kind of a question. If nothing else, gays are the ultimate victims. Not responsible for their choices, unable to help themselves, only delving deeper into self-destructive behavior because everyone else is mean to them.

There are SO many groups in society that engage in unacceptable behavior. We would, as a society, scoff at any other that used this "victim" approach. We would expect them to buck up and quell their particular flavor of irresistable urge. Hell, I'm sure most of us harbor such urges. We have learned to try to suppress the counterproductive, unhealthy, self-destructive ones.

No, I cannot believe it is society's fault that gays are less able to suppress their self-destructive hedonistic tendencies. Not entirely.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Drago
We're going to need pic's of the 19 year old carpet muncher.

As aggravated as i currently am with her(unrelated to her carpet munching), she is my LITTLE sister.

LOL.