Watch neocon Bill Kristol quivering...

[fastpat]

When he has to contemplate the failure of the programs he's advocated for years, and see him seethe over it. This would be funny if it weren't for the lives being lost by policies advocated by the bloodsucking monster.

[drauz]

yeah, Kristol, Hume & their ilk have run out of time, but evidently not of of self-delusion, hubris & other people's blood.

[skipdup]

Juan is an idiot. Always has been on many many aspects.

Funny, I thought Kristol and Hume totally owned that discussion.

[lendaddy]

Kristol and Hume spoke the truth, had I seen that clip I would have posted it myself. Their points were spot on, Juanlooked lost in rhetoric.

[fastpat]

Kristol's flat affect gives his neurotic personality away every time, I've seen him get so agitated he threatened to not come back on a program again, which of course would be fine.

When you're the son of Mr. Neocon himself, Irving Kristol, and advocate worldwide hegemony and write things like "Israel's War is our War", you deserve what you get.

Kristol and Hume owned nothing, they wrapped themselves in the flag and stuck out their lips.

[DaveE]

Every time Williams started talking Hume started with, "Juan....Juan....Juan." Very rude but typical of Faux Nothing Channel.

[lendaddy]

The point Kristol made is a great one. That when we are at war it is unbelievably irresponsible to publicly bad-mouth or down-talk the effort when you have the ability to stop it and do not.

If you're against it, say so and present a resolution to withdrawl. Otherwise, the guys you have over there need your support, not your mockery.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
The point Kristol made is a great one. That when we are at war it is unbelievably irresponsible to publicly bad-mouth or down-talk the effort when you have the ability to stop it and do not.

While I know it's been the policy to intimidate those opposed to such military follies in the past, including locking up those who verbally dissent, those days had better never come back.

Philosophically, you're just plain wrong. Your position has no moral underpinnings at all.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
While I know it's been the policy to intimidate those opposed to such military follies in the past, including locking up those who verbally dissent, those days had better never come back.

Philosophically, you're just plain wrong. Your position has no moral underpinnings at all.

I don't see it as anything but tangible logic.

Oh yeah, and...philosophically, you're just plain wrong. Your position has no moral underpinnings at all. [man that's easy]

[DaveE]

Originally posted by lendaddy
The point Kristol made is a great one. That when we are at war it is unbelievably irresponsible to publicly bad-mouth or down-talk the effort when you have the ability to stop it and do not.

If you're against it, say so and present a resolution to withdrawl. Otherwise, the guys you have over there need your support, not your mockery.

First off, I'm not mocking the guys over there. I pray for them, their well-being and safety for being thrown in to this fiasco.

I'm sure the Bush regime at this point would love nothing better than some resolution to cut off funding so he would finally have a way out of his mess, this ill-conceived and poorly managed disaster, so that he (and you) could then blame the Dems for the aftermath. This is his mess and he should accept responsibility for it but instead his plan is to ride it out until the next election and let the probable Dem victor take responsibility for what should be done. The only problem I see with your strategy is that more and more Repubs (John Warner for example) are beginning to see that the Dems are right. His own party is slowly beginning to abandon him.

[lendaddy]

So Dave, you defend the Dems inaction in(what they believe would be) saving the lives of our men for a cause they believe un-winnable......because it would ba a bad move politically?

[DaveE]

Originally posted by lendaddy
So Dave, you defend the Dems inaction in(what they believe would be) saving the lives of our men for a cause they believe unwinnable......because it would ba a bad move politically?

I think they see this as Bush's responsibility as Commander in Chief and would prefer to try and 'persuade' him to do what is the right thing for once.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by DaveE
First off, I'm not mocking the guys over there. I pray for them, their well-being and safety for being thrown in to this fiasco.

I'm sure the Bush regime at this point would love nothing better than some resolution to cut off funding so he would finally have a way out of his mess, this ill-conceived and poorly managed disaster, so that he (and you) could then blame the Dems for the aftermath. This is his mess and he should accept responsibility for it but instead his plan is to ride it out until the next election and let the probable Dem victor take responsibility for what should be done. The only problem I see with your strategy is that more and more Repubs (John Warner for example) are beginning to see that the Dems are right. His own party is slowly beginning to abandon him.

That's right, Bush is spending soldiers lives in political manuevering, which is typical of his kind of person. The "little people" don't matter to the scion of a dynastic family.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by DaveE
I think they see this as Bush's responsibility as Commander in Chief and would prefer to try and 'persuade' him to do what is the right thing for once.

If they honestly believe men are dying in vain and they know full well they could stop it today, there is NO excuse for their inaction.

And to clarify I did not mean to imply the dems were mocking the soldiers personally but rather the mission.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
That's right, Bush is spending soldiers lives in political manuevering, which is typical of his kind of person. The "little people" don't matter to the scion of a dynastic family.

Simply untrue. [I love this new technique]

[drauz]

I'm sick of this ill-conceived and poorly executed war, the pointless deaths, the smart-ass polarization and the damage being done to the nation. It seems there are some who can't get enough of it.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by drauz
I'm sick of this ill-conceived and poorly executed war, the pointless deaths, the smart-ass polarization and the damage being done to the nation. It seems there are some who can't get enough of it.

I can appreciate your mental fatigue, but I'm not sure how it solves any of our problems to wallow in it.

[drauz]

I'm not wallowing or fatigued - and I am not impressed with your characterization. I simply made a statement of opinion - I'm sick of the war. While direct control over it is not in any of our hands, I did my part in the last election, and am actively supporting those (regardless of Party) who share my pov. Of course, you are welcome to your opinion.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by drauz
I'm not wallowing or fatigued - and I am not impressed with your characterization. I simply made a statement of opinion - I'm sick of the war. While direct control over it is not in any of our hands, I did my part in the last election, and am actively supporting those (regardless of Party) who share my pov. Of course, you are welcome to your opinion.

That's just it, I assume you expect those that campaigned against the war to........well.....take steps to end the war. Yet they are not(for purely political reasons), even though they have total power to do so.

Insead they are simply making our soldiers jobs harder without granting them any relief.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
That's just it, I assume you expect those that campaigned against the war to........well.....take steps to end the war. Yet they are not(for purely political reasons), even though they have total power to do so.

Insead they are simply making our soldiers jobs harder without granting them any relief.

The little fuhrer in the White House needs to act to protect those under his direct control.