Ann Coulter

[Icemaster]

You guys crack me the fuch up. Both sides saying we're not as bad as the other.

What's the difference between Hilary and Ann? Seriously?

One of them is openly running, the other isnt'. Beyond that, not a GD thing. Both sides getting so caught up in pointing out that the other is a narcisitic homophobic megalomaniacal xenophobic unpatriotic personal agenda pushing tree hugging fossil fuel burning cretin that the whole point of the political system has been set aside for personal attacks.

Maybe this is the way it's always been since the inception of this country, I don't personally know, nor am I inclined to care anymore. I am so completely over this 1 party political system and have been for the past 20 years. My standard answer when asked if I was Repbulican or Democrat is "Neither, I'm a capitalist." If I could have voted for Greenspan, I would. Over & over & over again.

Problem is, I still firmly believe that if you don't vote, you got no right to bit(h about the candidates. Hows that for confusing eh?

[techweenie]

Giuliani, McCain and Romney all apologized for Coulter's comments today. I guess they can see a little more clearly than some here.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[MattAlpha]

That is what I call zero class.

Would have been nice to hear that sound bit on CNN.

[rrpjr]

Originally posted by speeder
The funny thing is, no one here has attacked free speech or suggested that 1st Amendment rights should be curtailed. That is the purview of the Bush administration, these days. So your argument is specious, IMO. The 1st Amendment exists to protect unpopular and/or offensive speech, period. This would be a prime example of such, and I would be the last one to deny her the ability to expose herself and her defenders for what they are by uttering such garbage.

Having a strong, functioning 1st Amendment doesn't change the fact that something is extremely offensive, however, and it is appropriate for other, better people to exercise their right to condemn it.

Get it now?

I'm a little dense, but give me time.

I wasn't making an argument, merely an observation on excessive grievances, and the hypocrisy of claiming offense while offending. As I said, look at those leading leftist websites. Or hang out with more hardcore leftists if you want to take the temperature of free speech. My guess if that if you polled those two leftist websites on the subject of shutting down Coulter you would get a response somewhere north of overwhelming. I know, as I ventured into those waters recently on the Democratic Underground in a debate on whether Michelle Malkin should be banned from YouTube. I gently asked the denizens of DU if they felt that Voltaire's injunction on free speech was important to them. That is, the passionate defense of those with whom we disagree is the most important duty of liberals. Within five minutes I had 15 personal emails of unrepeatable nature. Let's just say they were happy with getting rid of her, and blind to the dangers of selective censorship. That they were "offended" was suffcient grounds for silencing her.

Coulter is a twit. So is Michael Moore. Neither offends me. But the taking of offense, and the recruitment of "offense" into the campaign to stifle certain types of speech -- a campaign being aggressively waged on "liberal" college campuses, by the way -- does.

I agree with you, Denis, about letting everybody speak and suffer the cost of their words. But this spirit is not the trend. Every respectable conservative I've read has dissed Coulter for what she said. But when William Aker the NBC "military analyst" recently slandered the troops in the Washington Post, and asserted that they had no right to comlain about media coverage of the war (effectively denying them their free speech rights) not one major liberal voice or media organ corrected him.

[lendaddy]

I have to admit I have no idea what she was thinking. That word is malicious, fem or fairy or even pussy wouldn't have bothered me as much as it would have appeared more as a joke.

Usually I get Ann's hard humor, but this was weird. I am sure she didn't mean it the way it came out (legion is actually right about her intent) but the choice was stupid.

[nostatic]

here's what Malkin said:

Enter Ann Coulter.

Her "******" joke was not just a distraction from all the good that was highlighted and represented at the conference. It was the equivalent of a rhetorical fragging--an intentionally-tossed verbal grenade that exploded in her own fellow ideological soldiers' tent.

There are countless conservatives who bring their children to CPAC. It's a family-friendly event. I brought mine last year and the year before. I met several parents with their kids there this year. We expect CPAC to be a place where conservative role models speak with clarity, passion, and integrity. There are enough spewers of mindless filth, vulgarity, and hatred on TV, at the movies, and in the public schools. We don't expect our children to be exposed to that garbage at the nation's preeminent conservative gathering.

I was in the back of the ballroom and did not see any children in the audience during Coulter's speech. But what if there had been?

Would you want your children hearing the word "******" spoken in such a casual and senseless manner? Would you like your first-grader or three-year-old running around the halls of CPAC singing "******, ******, ******?" Not me. Not anymore than I'd like my toddler singing "gook, gook, gook" or "sambo, sambo, sambo"--favored epithets hurled at conservative minorities by leftist haters groping around in their empty intellectual quivers. There were hundreds of young conservative college students in the ballroom. Would you be proud of your college-age daughter spewing such epithets in her campus debates with leftists?

With a single word, Coulter sullied the hard work of hundreds of CPAC participants and exhibitors and tarred the collective reputation of thousands of CPAC attendees. At a reception for college students held by the Young America's Foundation, I lambasted the substitution of stupid slurs for persuasion-- be it "******" from a conservative or "gook" from a liberal--and urged the young people there to conduct themselves at all times with dignity in their ideological battles on and off campus.

I made something else explicitly clear: Not all of us treat the communication of conservative ideals and ideas as 24/7 performance art. You can and should use humor to convey your message. You can enlighten and entertain--without becoming a tired old schtick. You can joke without becoming the joke.

source: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006981.htm

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rearden
At least he wasn't jailed, like Abdel Kareem Nabil.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022201909.html

(this is what happens when a government actually behaves in the authoritarian way you pretend the Bush administration does)

As for Coulter, saying outrageous things is how she sells books and columns. But it wasn't appropriate for her to use that language at that particular event.

The surviving Branch Davidians are still in jail, including one of them who was never at the site of the government's massacre of the other 83 members of that church. In addition to this well known example, hundreds of other people are murdered every year by government, and adding in overseas murders, it's in the hundreds of thousands.

You see what you want to see, ignoring the facts. Typical neocon.

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by fintstone
So what exactly is the left's problem with Coulter regarding this remark? Are you guys claiming her implying that Edwards looks/acts gay is bad? Maybe it was a compliment. Are you guys all homophobic?

Nope. But there is a difference between "acceptance" and "tolerance". The gay community seems to have a problem with this. Stop the "gay rights" parades, please!. So you're homosexual, so most are heterosexual...why make a big deal of it? No reason I can see... For gays to compare their struggle to the civil rights struggle is 100% wrong, IMHO...I mean, nobody identifies their sexuality by their skin color. Sexuality need not be a topic unless somebody CHOOSES to bring it up! Enough of the "in your face" krap!

[Hawktel]

Humm Anne Coulter uses the new F word and all the people running have a reason to make nice with the G&L crowd cause Anne was mean to them, and they have a good excuse for the conservative onlookers, that they have to do it cause Anne was mean to the G&L's.

Political play of the day I think.

Its a no- brainer. AC is never going to palatable to the left, so by having her do this so the right can look good doesn't hurt the right at all. Whats the left going to do, Hate AC more? Is that possible?

[legion]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
I don't buy it. J.J. gets no free pass with the middle or the right. Most people I know think he's a worthless sack of _ _ _ _. The left are worried about everyone's feelings while the right are a bunch of little whiners ("It's not fair!"). Let's grow up and marginalize both extremes.

I still think A.C. is total skank.

I don't recall J.J. getting shouted down or attacked when speaking to a crowd.

[legion]

Originally posted by widebody911
Cut the guy a break - that's the best he could do whilst typing with one hand...

I should have anticipated this childishness from people who don't "get it".

BTW...I didn't even watch the clip. I find Coulter a little over the top for my tastes, but I at least "get" what she is doing.

[nostatic]

i think you give her too much credit. Did she send you this interpretation in a midnight vision or in a fortune cookie?

[fintstone]

There are dozens of posts on this forum where Coulter has been called a man, a drag queen, or "Man Coulter" and not one of you that are whining about her using the tern "******" complained. You are such a bunch of hypocrites.

[Nostril Cheese]

thats because she's a MAAAAAAN, baby...

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Nostril Cheese
thats because she's a MAAAAAAN, baby...

Case closed.

[cantdrv55]

Originally posted by fintstone
There are dozens of posts on this forum where Coulter has been called a man, a drag queen, or "Man Coulter" and not one of you that are whining about her using the tern "******" complained. You are such a bunch of hypocrites.

Guilty as charged. But then again, we're all hypocrites to a certain extent.

[dd74]

Why any of you are taken aback by AC's language of choice is laughable. This, after all, is the same woman who has referred to Muslims as "ragheads," and four NJ 9/11 widows as "The Witches of East Brunswick."

Ann Coulter is who she's always been. What she called Edwards should shock no one.

[Turbo_pro]

Inflammatory language hurts the feelings of the group that is defamed. No one dies from hurt feelings.

Conversely hate speech like that of Bill Maher "too bad the terrorist missed Dick Cheney" emboldens our enemy and Marines die.
Where's the outrage at that?
BTW: Bill Maher has been quoted saying "the disease is religion" offending 90% of the world's population. No condemnation for this either?

I'm looking for a world with a little more consistency. Don't look to the left or the lame stream media.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Turbo_pro
Inflammatory language hurts the feelings of the group that is defamed. No one dies from hurt feelings.

Conversely hate speech like that of Bill Maher "too bad the terrorist missed Dick Cheney" emboldens our enemy and Marines die.
Where's the outrage at that?
BTW: Bill Maher has been quoted saying "the disease is religion" offending 90% of the world's population. No condemnation for this either?

I'm looking for a world with a little more consistency. Don't look to the left or the lame stream media.

Maher should not have said that about Cheney, but his anti religion is in your group of hurt feelings and no more than that.

Don't look to the right either.

[Turbo_pro]

Originally posted by stevepaa
....................... but his anti religion is in your group of hurt feelings and no more than that.
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I'll bite !!! What the h*ll does that mean?