Republican Strategy?

[tabs]

[QUOTE=john70t;3433247]

Who needs strategy? Election fraud is so much easier.

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I do not want to deal with the issue of Diebold...that is something that can be dealt with at a later time.

The issue of "Election Fraud" is very serious. As EVERYONE KNOWS there has NEVER BEEN an election that has been perfect, the process is flawed. No one until AL Gore in 2000 cried foul, not even Richard Nixon in 1960.

Now it is an issue, once the process of voting itself is put to the question the ugly head of DOUBT is raised. The LEGITIMACY of the Democratic process is questioned, and faith in that system of government is weakened. This is a proverbial nail in the coffin of Democracy in America.

Do not under estimate the corrosive nature of questioning the honesty of the election process. As neither Political Party will trust the other, and sooner or later one side will not concede an elction and will retain power.

[techweenie]

[QUOTE=tabs;3434067]

Originally Posted by john70t

Who needs strategy? Election fraud is so much easier.

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I do not want to deal with the issue of Diebold...that is something that can be dealt with at a later time.

The issue of "Election Fraud" is very serious. As EVERYONE KNOWS there has NEVER BEEN an election that has been perfect, the process is flawed. No one until AL Gore in 2000 cried foul, not even Richard Nixon in 1960.

Now it is an issue, once the process of voting itself is put to the question the ugly head of DOUBT is raised. The LEGITIMACY of the Democratic process is questioned, and faith in that system of government is weakened. This is a proverbial nail in the coffin of Democracy in America.

Do not under estimate the corrosive nature of questioning the honesty of the election process. As neither Political Party will trust the other, and sooner or later one side will not concede an elction and will retain power.

There's some truth in the above. But it's a matter of degree. Florida 2000 was some kind of high water mark in election result manipulation, making Chicago 1960 look trivial. I strongly recommend you spend a few minutes on "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast. You may not be aware that the firing of the eight Federal prosecutors was a direct extension of the tactics of 2000 -- generally attributed to one K. Rove. This is all likely to eventually come out in court testimony.

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Berger took copies of notes on 'after action reports' on the millenium bombing threat. The 911 Commission noted that nothing of interest to them had been taken.

Why do you suppose he did that? He admits he cut them up with scissors man, does this give you pause? What possible explanation can you give us for doing that other than to hide something?

He also made 2-3 prior visits and one has to wonder what else he took.

If a Bush official had done this you'd be flipping out.

[Moneyguy1]

The other party's actions are looked at through a microscope.

My party's actions require using a telescope in reverse.

Difference in perception.

Yes, in my case, I would be "flipping out" no matter WHICH partyor individual entered into illegal activities. However, I have to keep my "flipping out" filter rather high or I would be in a continual state of flippedness.

[lendaddy]

One does not need a microscope to decry Berger's actions as beyond the pale. There are aboriginal tribes in Australia that speak only with clicks and whistles that know he should be in prison for what he did. It is without a doubt the oddest case of non-prosecution I have ever seen.

[tabs]

[QUOTE=techweenie;3434100]

Originally Posted by tabs

Florida 2000 was some kind of high water mark in election result manipulation, making Chicago 1960 look trivial.

How funny it is that the Election confusion in 2000 was in Democratic Party controled counties. It was more a matter of ineptitude than anything else.

The vote in Chicago in 1960 determined that JFK was going to be the next President and not Nixon. I don't call that trivial.

[Moneyguy1]

len...

My point was simple. There are things that have happened in the last six years that border on or are actually convictable events. Regardless of the party, there should be accountability./ IF the best that one side can come up with is a minion stealing some papers, it is indeed a straw that will not hold any weight in the overall scope of the problems this country is involved in, both abroad and domestically. We should be demanding MORE and not less from our governments at ALL levels, and join together rather than finding fault simply to find fault. AS long as our elected/appointed officials can keep us arguing about minutia, they win. Simple as that, yet so many cannot see that and blindly put their trust into this ideology or that.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Why do you suppose he did that? He admits he cut them up with scissors man, does this give you pause? What possible explanation can you give us for doing that other than to hide something?

He also made 2-3 prior visits and one has to wonder what else he took.

If a Bush official had done this you'd be flipping out.

Oh, please. If Clinton had suspended habeas corpus, you would be flipping out. We're talking about trivial actions by a minor official measured against wilful suspension of basic liberties that predate the founding of this country.

Just curious: what's your reading on the comparative criminality of deleting 3 to 5 million emails from the white house records?

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Oh, please. If Clinton had suspended habeas corpus, you would be flipping out. We're talking about trivial actions by a minor official measured against wilful suspension of basic liberties that predate the founding of this country.

Just curious: what's your reading on the comparative criminality of deleting 3 to 5 million emails from the white house records?

Trivial actions? I guess we just disagree and like I said..what else did he destroy? The facts of how that went down are just mind numbing.

Regarding the e-mails, I am not up on all the details but if we know who deleted them via proof positive and/or an admission then string em up. Illegal is illegal.

And if Clinton has suspended habeas corpus for terrorist suspects I would not flip out.