If John F. Kennedy were alive today, would he...
 

...be more conservative than George W. Bush? Or better yet, Dick Cheney?

I heard somewhere, maybe from a guest on Charlie Rose, that Kennedy would indeed be more conservative than who we have in office. It's a serious question. Would JFK be more conservative?

SmileWavy

Yes

What about a drunk Ben Franklin? ;)

He would have long since forgotten about politics but not his poon.

He and Bill would be great pals.

Scratching at the inside of his coffin...

Much more conservative.

He spoke out against government entitlements and the elements of the new deal.

And he invaded Cuba and started the Vietnam War. ;)

The easiest way to rile the lefties on JFK is to point out his adoration of McCarthy. :)

LBJ ruined America.

sorry but no
IKE and the CIA planned both
JFK scaled back the bay of pigs cutting air support
but the plan was in motion long before JFK took office

and ''July 8, 1959 - Two U.S. military advisors, Maj. Dale Buis and Sgt. Chester Ovnand, are killed by Viet Minh guerrillas at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. They are the first American deaths in the Second Indochina War which Americans will come to know simply as The Vietnam War.''

a neo-conned BIG LIE
your side really does love the BIG LIE

the only part of America ruined by LBJ
was the racist deep south
and the local control by the KKK there

I think the roots of the neo-conned show in the support for
the racists [ie states rights] only the code words have changed

I'd like to hear how supporting states rights has anything to do with racism? Stupid quote for the day.

Well, yes, that did ruin things for the NeoCons.

The southern racists were/are Democrats, think Robert Byrd. Watch how poorly Obama does in the southern Dem primaries.

Not that both sides don't have their scum but the Dixicrats ruled the south.

sorry but there were NO southern members of the GOP [or damm few]
Dixicrats became the new souths GOP in mass do to their hate for LBJ
the few racist who remained in the demo's party like Bird reformed and gave up the hate
the modern southern GOP willnot admitt their roots
it is racist pure and simple
and a party that would make abe lincon puke

nota, I'm sure you think you are the smartest person you know.

Byrd is a Republican? lol

eazy to see you were not in the south in the 60's
I was and know all the code words
jim crow laws were all based on states rights to be racist
and in fact the states rights people were all racist

funny how now the reform of stupid drug laws
is not supported by the states rights crowd
but as the drug laws all have racist roots
eazy to see why there is no support from true believers in states rights

Who can't form a lucid sentence. I'm not even sure who the racists are.

What???? State rights people in the south in the '60s were racist, therefore all state's rights people are racist today?

Stupid racist drug laws huh? Greatful Dead avatar? Now that lack of a cohesive thought process is starting to make sense.

Duuuuuuude...

Don't harsh his buzz, man...

I think the manual suggests you change up occasionally. There are several conservative argument responses OTHER THAN "You're arrogant." Use them. The "shoot the messenger" thing works great, but you have to change up occasionally.

Castro would be dead.

Yes, well, quit being arrogant. SmileWavy

we've established a consensus in another thread, the hallmarks of that consensus are:

1. you can't call a liberal, a liberal (that would be using a label)
2. if you don't agree with a liberal, you are not 'open minded'
3. liberal's can attack anyone who doesn't agree with them
4. conservatives are all stupid, love Hitler and have ruined (tense used intentionally) America

JFK would have been conservative, history evidences that fact, but I don't think personally that he would have gone into Iraq as he was way too much a student of history to do so e.g. the British experience there, etc.

Considering Bay of Pigs, would Iraq have happened under Kennedy?

it is all speculation but I think our biggest mistake in going into Iraq was in how we over estimated the ability of that nation to stand on its own without SH. Once the power structure in Iraq was gone, the ability to hold what were traditionally three nations together as one has proven to be the biggest challenge. This is all just my personal view, not something I can prove or state as fact...

Not sure what you are asking? Would JFK have abandoned troops once they landed in Iraq?

you had to be there and see it all change
in 1960 there were very very few GOP members in dixie
the few were blacks and ultra liberal whites
demo primarys were the real elections by a 10/90 or 20/80 split

that started to change with goldwater [who I supported]
and really shifted with nixon in 68
I was inside the GOP watching this happen

yes most southern states rights people were racist
there maybe a few real believers in states rights but damm few
it was a way to be racist without admitting it
and a BIG code word

sorry to let the truth out
but I saw the racist flock in to the new GOP in the 68 election
people who swore they would never ever vote for the party of lincon
did support nixon in huge numbers
and it was all about race and hate for LBJ's civil rights program

I know the southern GOP hates to admitt their roots
that does not change the facts

denial is not a cohesive thought process
nore is spin or BIG LIES

the simple fact is the shift in power in the south was driven
by racist switching partys to the GOP
hate not ideals powered that switch
so it is eazy to see why the GOP members willNOT admitt that fact

like BUSH1 did to the swamp arabs and kurds in the end of the first gulf war???

Someone gets it...

JFK was the topic...I have equal animosity for our failures with the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds.

History is the first victim of bias and opinion. Much of what is posted concerning past events (and even current ones) is conjecture and not in the least true. Seems to fit my thread on what influences our thinking.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=255363

Essentially, two questions: 1) Would JFK even go into Iraq? 2) Would he have pulled out by now?

Bonus question: considering he is more conservative than Bush, would that dictate his policy with Iraq.

"Different man, different time," or "hard to say," aren't answers. Expand, think, philosophize.

BTW: all JFK abandoned in Bay of Pigs were some Cuban Batista hopefuls. No U.S. soldiers were involved in the actual invasion, and if so, I certainly don't believe any U.S. soldiers were "abandoned."

I wonder if he would do Marylin in the Oval Office.

You've got my attention, can you give me a couple examples?

Marilyn? Marilyn who? Marilyn Manson?
http://jimbuie.blogs.com/photos/unca...manson_012.jpg
We're talking about JFK in the current day...SmileWavy
He did do Marilyn in the Oval Office, BTW. I think Dominick Dunn revealed that.

+1 to Lendaddy. In short, "Huh?"

Nota
"and ''July 8, 1959 - Two U.S. military advisors, Maj. Dale Buis and Sgt. Chester Ovnand, are killed by Viet Minh guerrillas at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. They are the first American deaths in the Second Indochina War which Americans will come to know simply as The Vietnam War.''

Big deal, JFK was the first to send troops to Vietnam, Ike had 800 "advisors" but JFK sent troops. LBJ got it up to more than 500,000 troops.
The first year Nixon was in office he cut it in half.