Religious Top 10

[Jim Richards]

No, god-believing societies.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

How can something imaginary be so pervasive and significant, and beneficial?

Security for the people is traded for control/power/wealth of those leading the religion.

[livi]

You boys just wonīt miss an opportunity to clash into this topic again!! Extraordinary.

Are any of you still hoping to change the mind of a another man on this subject??? The never ending, completely useless arguments, using two completely different sets of goggles. One seeing a God. The other searching all over finding absolutely nothing of the kind.

For some reason (genetic, environmental etc) some people believe in God. Some donīt. Thats it.

For the record, I personally pretty much agree with NICKG.

[Taz's Master]

Give the authority to religion or government, I don't see the advantage, it isn't like people in power have any standing record of integrity. But remove religion from society and you remove a check against the power of a government against the people.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

IROC, that is a very interesting concept. How can something imaginary be so pervasive and significant, and beneficial?

Well, then, why not bring back Greek gods and goddesses? How could they (if they were imaginary) be so pervasive, significant and beneficial? Of course, I'm not saying they were actually beneficial, but hopefully you see my point. Religious beliefs don't have to be "true" to impact society. We now have decided that the Greek gods and goddesses were imaginary - it is not a huge leap of logic to draw the same conclusion about current gods and goddesses.

[Jim Richards]

Really? Religion is doing all that, Taz?

[IROC]

Originally Posted by livi

Are any of you still hoping to change the mind of a another man on this subject???

Of course not. This endless debate is simply fun. Intellectually stimulating. Some people argue politics, I enjoy religious debates.

[cstreit]

Originally Posted by Mule

Ten Signs That You Are An Unquestioning Christian:


10- You vigorously deny [cut out yaddayadda]

Hve you actually met anyone like this? Seriously? I've been a Christian now for, oh, 39 years... I've not met a single person that met this criteria, not a single one. Oh I've seen a few lunatics on TV that might espouse one or two of these views but seriously dude, the way you carry a torch on this? Methinks you doth protest a little much.

I've seen just as many whack-job athiests, perhaps more... ...folks such as yourself that seem to sit aorund fretting endlessly that somewhere, someone, might just believe something that isn't true. SO what? My kids believe in Santa. If they are wrong, where's the harm? Don't bother with the "atrocities perpetrated in the name of religion" arguement. Every day we see the same atrocities in the name of Oil, Land, a pair of Nike shoes, etc... A lunatic only needs to find a vehicle, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's xyz.

If you're an athiest and you try and "convert" Christians you believe it makes you a logical thinker. Were a Christian, Jew, Hindu to use that same ferver towards you, well they are a zealot. Right? Switch to decaf.

[kstar]

This type of dialog helped me "change my mind" years ago. There are folks susceptible to rational thought.

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by IROC

Whether or not "religion" serves any real benefit to society or not has no bearing at all on whether or not its basis (existence of a supernatural being) is true. Are you suggesting that we live our lives under a complete falsehood just because it may benefit some of those in society?

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. " Carl Sagan

"We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces. " Carl Sagan

These two quotes sum up things pretty well. It is not so much religion that is the problem but the degree of ignorance required to support it.

[The Gaijin]

Originally Posted by widebody911

[i] Religion expects unquestioning belief of it's dogma; the church is the infallible authority on all subjects. Depending on the religion in question, anyone who disagrees is branded a heretic, excommunicated, or killed.

I guess you have not been to church much lately..

[trekkor]

I'm late to the party.

What's the condensed version?
Someone bring me up to speed.


KT

[Taz's Master]

Jim- all what?

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

But remove religion from society and you remove a check against the power of a government against the people.

Religion does everything it can to integrate with government; the result: theocracy.

[Taz's Master]

IROC, the Greek/Roman dieties were replaced, but not the role or importance of religion on human society.

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

I guess you have not been to church much lately..

i think that really depends on which church you go to...all religions have fanatics...the nascar fans of god so to speak. They are the scary ones....

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I'm late to the party.

What's the condensed version?
Someone bring me up to speed.


KT

pretty much the same old religious debate..the believers vs the naysayers. The usual mental enema

[Taz's Master]

Widebody911, examples?

[Taz's Master]

sjf911, I want scientific proof that human society would be more successful without religion, not Carl Sagan quotes. That's the equivalance of putting your faith in the words of a prophet.

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

sjf911, I want scientific proof that human society would be more successful without religion, not Carl Sagan quotes. That's the equivalance of putting your faith in the words of a prophet.

LOL, I don't think our IRB will allow that.