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dumbing down the issues is good.

If the Dems are allowed to dumb down the school system they should be allowed to dumb down the election.

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Old 06-11-2008, 06:51 PM
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Because it's pointless? That would be like asking Olbermann to consider that Uday and Usay might be slightly more despicable than Bill O'Reilly.
I call BS. With so many pointless protestations and debates, you have to wonder why you'd start now. doesn't pass the smell test. no protests because it all rings so true.
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Shaun, just let it go as brilliant comedy befitting the Democratic party. There is no sense in debating the issues. I mean Republicans have no place trying to defend their position on the environment, since Democratic presidents started our system of national parks and established the EPA. When dealing with health care Republicans don't realize that AIDS and breast cancer are the #1 and #2 killers facing Americans today, and that drug companies only try to collect the public's money while Democratic politicians cure diseases. And as for the Supreme Court, African Americans can only hope that a Democratic president will continue filling vacancies on the bench with its historical single-minded racial purpose. See, Shaun, Republicans don't have a leg to stand on when you look at the issues raised, so just enjoy it for its comedy value, not as a tool to start an honest debate.
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Shaun, just let it go as brilliant comedy befitting the Democratic party. There is no sense in debating the issues. I mean Republicans have no place trying to defend their position on the environment, since Democratic presidents started our system of national parks and established the EPA. When dealing with health care Republicans don't realize that AIDS and breast cancer are the #1 and #2 killers facing Americans today, and that drug companies only try to collect the public's money while Democratic politicians cure diseases. And as for the Supreme Court, African Americans can only hope that a Democratic president will continue filling vacancies on the bench with its historical single-minded racial purpose. See, Shaun, Republicans don't have a leg to stand on when you look at the issues raised, so just enjoy it for its comedy value, not as a tool to start an honest debate.
Wow, not only was the video weak drivel, but so is this post.

1) I didn't know that Teddy Roosevelt was a Democrat.

2) AIDs and Breast Cancer are NOT the leading causes of death in the U.S.
Heart disease and cancer (all forms) take the top two spots. AIDS doesn't even rank:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/lcod.htm
3) Democratic politicians cure diseases? Let me see their patents.

4) And the rest doesn't even make any sense. There's nothing there to dispute because it's just gibberish.
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Chris, can you point to TR creating the National Park Service?

he was President through 1909.

He died in 1919.

The National Park Service Organic Act was passed in 1916.

he did set aside more land than anyone else for parks, but it was Wilson, also a President of the People, who was in office at the time the NPS was created.
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3) Democratic politicians cure diseases? Let me see their patents.




I'm with the Dems on this one.



Progressive disease was a post WW2 failure when the issues were decided by the voters. Until the late 1950s this group they didn't know that success was available by using an activist judicial system.

When progressive disease gains critical mass in elections they will all be cured by the halo of superiority.


this is gonna be a fun election
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

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Roosevelt urged Congress to establish the United States Forest Service (1905), to manage government forest lands, and he appointed Gifford Pinchot to head the service. Roosevelt set aside more land for national parks and nature preserves than all of his predecessors combined, 194 million acres (785,000 km²). In all, by 1909, the Roosevelt administration had created an unprecedented 42 million acres (170,000 km²) of national forests, 53 national wildlife refuges and 18 areas of "special interest", including the Grand Canyon. The Theodore Roosevelt National Park in the Badlands commemorates his conservationist philosophy.
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Yeah, I knew that, but it was under Wilson's Presidency that the National Park Service was created.

Taz's Master did say: "Democratic presidents started our system of national parks" and that is factually correct. Wilson was a Democrat in office when the National Park Service was created.

I'm a big TR fan myself, so don't feel bad.
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Wow, like the republicans have never exaggerated the stand of democrats before...

That said - it was over the top and funny in a dumb way.
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America's first National Park was Yellowstone, signed into existence on March 1, 1872 by Ulysses S. Grant, a Republican.

President Richard M. Nixon created the EPA with his signing on December 2, 1970. He, too, was a Republican.
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Insurance companies on the other hand have calculated and lmited risk. They know all the probablilities and they continually raise prices. Then on the odd chance that they do have to pay for something they get a team of lawers and try to find any loophole to screw you. Yet not one Republican or Democrat has done a damn thing about it.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. I used to work in the actuary department at an insurance company (the people that set rates). Your post assumes all risks are static. They are not. Sometimes they change slowly, sometimes very, very rapidly. A different kind of car becoming popular or a new law or a new economic reality can influence people's behavior instantly. Rates are charged based on loss experience--what the insurance company actually paid out. They try to be proactive and charge adequate rates when they see risk going up, but most state regulators will not allow them to raise rates until they have proven the losses materialized--in other words, they have to lose money before they can raise prices. This means that most rates follow trends.

The simple answer is that rates go up when actual claims go up.
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Shaun, just let it go as brilliant comedy befitting the Democratic party. There is no sense in debating the issues. I mean Republicans have no place trying to defend their position on the environment, since Democratic presidents started our system of national parks and established the EPA. When dealing with health care Republicans don't realize that AIDS and breast cancer are the #1 and #2 killers facing Americans today, and that drug companies only try to collect the public's money while Democratic politicians cure diseases. And as for the Supreme Court, African Americans can only hope that a Democratic president will continue filling vacancies on the bench with its historical single-minded racial purpose. See, Shaun, Republicans don't have a leg to stand on when you look at the issues raised, so just enjoy it for its comedy value, not as a tool to start an honest debate.

So the lefties have apparently brought out their secret weapon. This guy is great!
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Just because it isn't green doesn't mean it can't be heavily laced with sarcasm, I thought it so obvious that the green wasn't necessary.

The video is a disgusting microcosim of our candidating process: Very little true substance from either party, merely trying to frighten voters away from the opposite party.


I give credit to Roosevelt for our National Parks system. If others want to credit Grant or Wilson, that is fine.
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Just because it isn't green doesn't mean it can't be heavily laced with sarcasm, I thought it so obvious that the green wasn't necessary.

The video is a disgusting microcosim of our candidating process: Very little true substance from either party, merely trying to frighten voters away from the opposite party.


I give credit to Roosevelt for our National Parks system. If others want to credit Grant or Wilson, that is fine.
Not a problem. Did the "aids & breast" cancer part come to you in a vision? Can you back that up for us? I like the part about the Supremes "historical single-minded racial purpose." Pretty good stuff. Are you a mushroom cultivator?
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Mule: Read my original post with this in mind, I was responding with heavy sarcasm to Shaun's post about how there was no topical protest because the video rang so true. I was trying very hard to make it obvious that the video was tripe, I am well aware that breast cancer and AIDS are far from the #1 killers in America. Come on Mule, read the sentence about how I implied that drug companies were all about collecting the public's money and how Democratic politicians cured diseases, does it really have to be in green? Honestly. How many black Supreme Court Justices have been appointed by Democrat Presidents? I found it ironic that the black couple in the video commented on the Supreme Court.

Reread my post. I'm not trying to call you dense or foolish, but any criticisms made in that post were directed entirely at Shuan. And he must be thoroughly enjoying your responses.
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you boys really need to get together and discuss when one of you goes commando. maybe a super-secret PM handshake or somethin'?

thank you for the entertainment. and if it's any consolation, yes, TR pushed for the NPS concept more than any other political figure of the day.

he'd be shocked at what the Republican Party has become, but then was of the day as well...

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Mule: Read my original post with this in mind, I was responding with heavy sarcasm to Shaun's post about how there was no topical protest because the video rang so true. I was trying very hard to make it obvious that the video was tripe, I am well aware that breast cancer and AIDS are far from the #1 killers in America. Come on Mule, read the sentence about how I implied that drug companies were all about collecting the public's money and how Democratic politicians cured diseases, does it really have to be in green? Honestly. How many black Supreme Court Justices have been appointed by Democrat Presidents? I found it ironic that the black couple in the video commented on the Supreme Court.

Reread my post. I'm not trying to call you dense or foolish, but any criticisms made in that post were directed entirely at Shuan. And he must be thoroughly enjoying your responses.
Sorry Dude. After the stuff I've read from these left wing zombies I thought you were for real. My apologies!
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Maybe you should try to engage the brain before the knee jerks, Mule
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Sure it is easy to pick on Mule, but my post simply brought up conclusions that would be easy to draw from that video. So it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that someone who would endorse the video might believe what I posted would have substance. I mean both my post and the video are equally grounded in fact and truth.
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Maybe you should try to engage the brain before the knee jerks, Mule
you assume too much sir. cogent arguments are not his thing. he's just a troll with a penchant for posting crudely drawn cartoons and amateur PhotoShop'd pics. Ignore works best here.

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