Stijn!!

[HHI944]

Roast beef curtains?

[nynor]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

It may be good D, but go to any place where tons of video editing is happening.... It will be highly Mac dominated.

I mean, Steve jobs owned freaking PIXAR....

that does not support your earlier argument at all. further, what does it matter that steve jobs owned pixar? i don't give a damn, to be honest.

your argument was that there was little or no software in linux to do video editing. that is simply not true. in fact, download and install a copy of AV linux and prove yourself wrong.

[HHI944]

Clam chowder

[GH85Carrera]

Richard, At my office in 1984 we bought a IMB AT 6MhZ and we had a B&W monitor for the menus and a separate color monitor on a separate video card. One computer two video cards and the color was 24 bit. It ran DOS 3.3 and we even had a digitizing tablet with a digitizing pen. There were no Macs that could do that at the time.

[porsche4life]

D, I didn't say little or no software. I said more will be suited for Mac.

My point is that for that if you look around about any place that is creating video or animation, there will be stacks of Macs and mac based systems.

And for the standard user like David who just wants a no fuss machine for editing videos, the mac comes ready to go out of the box. Fire it up and iMovie is ready to go. To run AV linux you will have to do your homework on what machines it works best on, download it(hoping your hashs match when you are done) get it installed and then go. Yes for a guy like you or me thats not a big deal, but for most people they want grab and go easy.

[slodave]

My example was really to point out that the video card issues are cross platform issues.

The CPU can process video, but that's only the case for the built in video. Add-on cards have their own GPU, video is processed through that, leaving the CPU to do other things.

[porsche4life]

This wifi on flights thing is pretty sweet... More planes need this!!!

Now their selection of TV shows kinda sucks however....

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by Rick V

Linux....

But...

[nynor]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

D, I didn't say little or no software. I said more will be suited for Mac.

My point is that for that if you look around about any place that is creating video or animation, there will be stacks of Macs and mac based systems.

And for the standard user like David who just wants a no fuss machine for editing videos, the mac comes ready to go out of the box. Fire it up and iMovie is ready to go. To run AV linux you will have to do your homework on what machines it works best on, download it(hoping your hashs match when you are done) get it installed and then go. Yes for a guy like you or me thats not a big deal, but for most people they want grab and go easy.

actually, you just said it again.

the fact is that Linux has a ton of software to cook video and it is free and it works on nearly any computer (unlike MacInto$h).

it is also a fact that many places doing video/animation will be running Mac$. i will just hand you that point. i find it simply amazing that 1. the same software exists for the windows based PC 2. the same computer running MS OS's are much cheaper, yet 3. these folks INSIST that apple is better.

again, AV linux is going to work on nearly any computer. i'd be willing to bet that it works on more machines than, say, OSX. frankly, it worked on two of my computers, straight up, no manipulation, no research. it just works.

apple has sold a bill of goods. people have bought into it. fanaticism is born of doubt.

Originally Posted by slodave

My example was really to point out that the video card issues are cross platform issues.

The CPU can process video, but that's only the case for the built in video. Add-on cards have their own GPU, video is processed through that, leaving the CPU to do other things.

video, in terms of video manipulation, is not done through the GPU.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by Flieger

yeah, try updating your OSX when they decide to not support some piece of your hardware..... good fkn luck.

[slodave]

I'm sorry D, but GPU is used in rendering today. Not all programs use the GPU in a graphics card, but more and more are. While not really for video, but photoshop CS6 uses the GPU if available. CS6 on my laptop has certain features that are disabled, since I have built in Intel graphics. A quick look at premiere cs6 and it too uses a GPU.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by slodave

I'm sorry D, but GPU is used in rendering today. Not all programs use the GPU in a graphics card, but more and more are. While not really for video, but photoshop CS6 uses the GPU if available. CS6 on my laptop has certain features that are disabled, since I have built in Intel graphics. A quick look at premiere cs6 and it too uses a GPU.

perfect. i was wondering when this was going to happen, because GPU processing has been so fast for so long.

that said, this is only just starting. 1. i can't wait to see where this leads. 2. this is not the argument we've been having.

[slodave]

You made a post regarding video editing and CPU/GPU use. I answered. Where's the argument?

Dave's dual monitor issue with the laptop and video directly relates to the fact that the laptop probably is running a built in video card, which shares system RAM and has no GPU. Integrated cards are good for basic computing.

Checked QuickTime. Looks like it has been OpenGL compliant since around '08, meaning it has been able to utilize a GPU for rendering.

[GH85Carrera]

My iPhone does a pretty amazing job of editing videos.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by slodave

you made a post regarding video editing and cpu/gpu use. I answered. Where's the argument?

1. Exactly.

dave's dual monitor issue with the laptop and video directly relates to the fact that the laptop probably is running a built in video card, which shares system ram and has no gpu. Integrated cards are good for basic computing.

2. No argument here. Except the newish 'integrated' video cards (intel cpu's with medium end gpu's) are pretty damn good.

checked quicktime. Looks like it has been opengl compliant since around '08, meaning it has been able to utilize a gpu for rendering.

3. Quicktime, since 2008. Great. One piece of software, since 2008. And quicktime sucks, imo.

From my experience, limited as it is, the one thing that speeds up video editing is the cpu. It has nothing to do with the os, as long as there is the software that works with os.

ymmv

[slodave]

I agree with the os not having anything to do with how video is processed.

Knowing now, what I didn't know back in '06, is to make sure any laptop I buy, needs to have an add-on card. I'm long done with the integrated crap for what I do.

Fact still remains. You cannot edit video shot over 1080 with today's consumer pc's. Which was my problem that Sidney was aluding to. I found GoPros advertising to be a little misleading.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by slodave

I agree with the os not having anything to do with how video is processed.

Knowing now, what I didn't know back in '06, is to make sure any laptop I buy, needs to have an add-on card. I'm long done with the integrated crap for what I do.

i was too, until i researched the new stuff. it really is pretty good.

i agree that, in the past, the integrated video was utter crap.

Fact still remains. You cannot edit video shot over 1080 with today's consumer pc's. Which was my problem that Sidney was aluding to. I found GoPros advertising to be a little misleading.

what does one need to edit "video shot over 1080"?

[Outback Porsche]

Dogs breakfast

[slodave]

Originally Posted by nynor

what does one need to edit "video shot over 1080"?

The GoPro allows for video capture at resolutions up to 4K. Up until a couple months ago, there wasn't a consumer tv that could play a video recorded at 4K, 2.5K, 1440... Sony put the first one out there and it costs a fortune at the moment! Those resolutions are for the pros and for playback in movie theaters, etc. The same is true for computers. There isn't a consumer video card or display that can handle above 1080 at the moment.

You can technically edit the footage with Quicktime, Premiere, GoPro's software, but you can not play it back in it's full resolution. You are not seeing the full video while editing, ususally a scaled back version. I was also having problems inside the GoPro program with some features. A PC will try and convert the video down to a playable resolution, but it's still unwatchable, as it hiccups, freezes, or just plays audio.

[RKDinOKC]

In 1993 visited what techs called the archive room in the library at Apple Computer in Cupertino. They have one of every kind and version of hardware and software. Said they had it so they could replicate any configuration for troubleshooting. In that room was a 79 Apple ][ computer, it was black and had a Bell and Howell logo on it, the monitor, and 8mm film digitizer connected to it.