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daepp 04-23-2010 09:33 AM

Concept Albums
 
Got a favorite? Will concept album survive the iTunes age where most buy just a song at a time?

One of my personal favorite concept albums...

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Great country rock - great Americana!

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craigster59 04-23-2010 09:41 AM

Jackson Browne's the dead guy on the left and J.D. Souther on the right. I always liked Meat Loaf's Bat Out Of Hell and Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On as 2 great concept albums.

ODDJOB UNO 04-23-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5312609)
Jackson Browne's the dead guy on the left and J.D. Souther on the right. I always liked Meat Loaf's Bat Out Of Hell and Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On as 2 great concept albums.

wrong dead guy on left is bernie leadon

Steve Viegas 04-23-2010 10:02 AM

Favorite concept album:
Marillion's Misplaced Childhood

from wikipedia "The story has thematic elements of lost love, sudden success, acceptance, and lost childhood, along with an upbeat ending."

daepp 04-23-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Viegas (Post 5312650)
Favorite concept album:
Marillion's Misplaced Childhood

from wikipedia "The story has thematic elements of lost love, sudden success, acceptance, and lost childhood, along with an upbeat ending."

I will have to check that one out - never even heard of the band.

URY914 04-23-2010 10:23 AM

The Wall.

Tishabet 04-23-2010 10:25 AM

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herr_oberst 04-23-2010 10:31 AM

Sgt Pepper


Breakfast in America, Crime of the Century_Supertramp

Blood on the Tracks, John Wesley Harding _Dylan

Rust Never Sleeps_Neil Young

Teatro_Willie Nelson

The Ghost of Tom Joad_Springsteen

Tommy, Quadrophenia_The What

tabs 04-23-2010 10:47 AM

Rolling Stones.. Beggars Banquet
Neil Young...Tonights The Night
The The...The The
Dylan..Highway 61
The Band..Music From Big Pink
U2..Zootopia
Traffic....Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys
Jimi Hendrix...Electric Lady Land
The Clash..Combat Rock
Jefferson Airplane..Volunteers
Bowie..Alladin Sane

daepp 04-23-2010 10:53 AM

Wow - quite a few I didn't know.

Tommy also comes to mind.

Jagshund 04-23-2010 11:16 AM

Quadrophenia and Tommy are my top two rock operas . . . in fact, I've had 'Is it in my head? rolling through my brain all morning . . . er, day . . . I've been up for a long time. Really.

herr_oberst 04-23-2010 11:27 AM

Sniff the Glove_Spinal Tap

rouxroux 04-23-2010 11:37 AM

"Tales of mystery & Imagination" - E.A. Poe stories adapted by Alan Parsons

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Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds"

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rouxroux 04-23-2010 11:41 AM

And.....Zappa's 200 Motels (I still have an original 7" reel-to-reel of this one)...

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craigster59 04-23-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO (Post 5312631)
wrong dead guy on left is bernie leadon

Look further left, just to the left of Bernie Leadon

herr_oberst 04-23-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 5312758)
Rolling Stones.. Beggars Banquet
Neil Young...Tonights The Night
The The...The The
Dylan..Highway 61
The Band..Music From Big Pink
U2..Zootopia
Traffic....Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys
Jimi Hendrix...Electric Lady Land
The Clash..Combat Rock
Jefferson Airplane..Volunteers
Bowie..Alladin Sane

Tabs . . . that disguise you wear - the bitter curmudgeon - comes unraveled every time there's a music or movie thread. I postulate that you are a sensitive, caring individual who loves art and all things artistic. I picture you gazing at Picasso's "Guernica" and softly weeping to yourself - not only for the cruelty depicted but for the beauty as well.

Or not.

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1968Cayman (Post 5312803)
Quadrophenia and Tommy are my top two rock operas . . . in fact, I've had 'Is it in my head? rolling through my brain all morning . . . er, day . . . I've been up for a long time. Really.


"White City: A Novel" was also by Townshend. IIRC at the time, he said he didn't think he could get away with another opera, so he wrote a novel. Lots of good songs there for the uninitiated.

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nota 04-23-2010 11:56 AM

blows against the empire jefferson starship 1970

tabs 04-23-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 5312867)
Tabs . . . that disguise you wear - the bitter curmudgeon - comes unraveled every time there's a music or movie thread. I postulate that you are a sensitive, caring individual who loves art and all things artistic. I picture you gazing at Picasso's "Guernica" and softly weeping to yourself - not only for the cruelty depicted but for the beauty as well.

Or not.

Every man has a soul. It is just a matter of how far you want to plumb its depths, not many go all the way.

Elton John..Madman Across the Water...is one I didn't list.

stogie25 04-23-2010 12:32 PM

Rush 2112

cairns 04-23-2010 12:33 PM

And no one has mentioned Jethro Tull? ...Stand Up, Thick as a Brick, Aqualung etc.

pwd72s 04-23-2010 12:34 PM

Sometimes, I find myself cruising thru my old vinyl just to enjoy the cover art...

CD's reduced that..now Itunes is eliminating it...sad.

daepp 04-23-2010 01:13 PM

So regarding iTunes, are deeper cuts and "concept" albums dead?

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEpperson (Post 5313004)
So regarding iTunes, are deeper cuts and "concept" albums dead?

One door closes, others open. Who knows what the next generation of creatives will bring?

nostatic 04-23-2010 01:33 PM

How exactly are you defining "concept album"?

iTunes didn't kill the "album." Music is cyclical, and styles will come and go. Remember that the first "concept albums" were call symphonies back in the 17th-18th century ;)

If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

imcarthur 04-23-2010 03:02 PM

Interesting to note . . .

That the majority of the concept albums named above were recorded when the artists (and the listeners/buyers) had a tendency to abuse illicit substances . . .

Might there be a link?

Ian

psychII 04-23-2010 03:07 PM

Operation: Mindcrime

imcarthur 04-23-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5313045)
If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

That's cause that's all that would fit on the cylinder. :D

Ian

ODDJOB UNO 04-23-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5312860)
Look further left, just to the left of Bernie Leadon


just caught that sorry. my bad

daepp 04-23-2010 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 5313045)
If you look at recorded music, the "single" came first, and has driven most of the industry.

While the single may have come first and has driven the industry, for ME, the "art" mostly came with the long laying format. I allowed for a larger canvas - or more canvases - so the artist could do something other than what appeals to the most (pop).

nostatic 04-23-2010 03:45 PM

No offense, but the market doesn't care much about you ;)

You asked if iTunes/etc has/will kill the album. I would argue that it doesn't make a difference. Most of the money has/will be made on single tracks. For those artists that want to stretch out, they now have the most latitude *ever* wrt making and distributing music. If I wanted to do a 12 hour concept "album" right now, I could easily record it (and collaborate in real-time with musicians around the world), then distribute it globally online, with whatever associated "album art" (photos, videos, multimedia, etc) that I want. I would argue that digital has in fact given artists ultimate flexibility for realizing their vision.

The only real question is who/where is the vision, and who wants to listen...

jyl 04-23-2010 03:50 PM

There's no technical reason why an album cannot be treated as a single 1 hour long track priced at $20. If the demand is there. If the demand isn't there, then the concept album may not deserve to be treated as such. Most were a couple of good songs with abunch of filler anyway.

LSA 04-23-2010 03:56 PM

Love a good concept album, some of the best.
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Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Killer album themes taken strongly from Orwells 1984 in sort of a big brother-esque dystopia where a man is used and framed for killing the only women he loves

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W.A.S.P. - Crimson Idol The story of Jonathon Steele just an amazing story, Blackie Lawless is an incredible story teller. Really emotional story that deals with loss and that old saying of be careful what you wish for. A son who feels invisible to a father who blames him for his brothers death. Runs away and tries to make it in the music industry. It's also a commentary on the corporate music industry as a whole.

http://www.metalkingdom.net/album/img/d47/146.jpg

Savatage - Streets The story of a drug dealer in NYC who becomes a rockstar and his fall from grace then return to the spotlight.

pwd72s 04-23-2010 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 5313308)
There's no technical reason why an album cannot be treated as a single 1 hour long track priced at $20. If the demand is there. If the demand isn't there, then the concept album may not deserve to be treated as such. Most were a couple of good songs with abunch of filler anyway.

Didn't Sgt. Pepper do that?

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 07:24 PM

The REAL issue is that most bands/recording artists can't/won't put out something that is as good as some of the albums mentioned here. There are maybe 2 or 3 songs on a current album that are worth your time. Take Led Zeppelin 4 (Zoso) for example. Name a bad song on that album. Go ahead, try.

The content today sucks by comparison.

KaptKaos 04-23-2010 07:29 PM

Oh... since I mentioned Led Zep, where does "Raising Sand" fall as far as a concept album?

Does mixing genres count?

bell 04-23-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rouxroux (Post 5312839)

one of my favorite books.......it it worth the search to give it a listen?








"NO!".....they might be giants.......they even won a grammy for it :D

67nin11 04-23-2010 07:49 PM

yeah.. i was gonna say 2112.. hemispheres.. the wall..

then i saw mindcrime, must have listened to that most of 88.. rage for order and warning kicked ass also..

legion 04-23-2010 07:51 PM

Come on guys!

Dark Side of the Moon?
Wish You Were Here?
Animals?
The Wall?

Probably four of the greatest concept albums ever.

And NIN and Tool pretty much exclusively do concept albums.

Crowbob 04-23-2010 08:33 PM

"The idea all along had been to record something unified and continuous, like a novel or film-a scapbook, rather, since the theme originally was the Beatles' own Liverpool childhood...'It (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band) was Paul's number' George Martin says, 'Just an ordinary song, not particular brilliant as songs go. When we'd finishd it, Paul said, 'Why don't we make the whole album as though the Pepper Band really existed, as though Sargeant Pepper was doing the record. We can dub in effects and things.' From that moment on, it was as if Pepper had a life of its own.'..."It (the album cover) was further unique in opening out like a book, and in having the song lyrics printed in full on the back. Inside with the record was as sheet of cut-out novelties, figments of the Beatles. own comic-book childhood transformed to the last, or next, word in POP Art-a Sergeant Pepper picture card, a paper mustache, two badges and a set of NCO's stripes." 'SHOUT! The Beatles In Their Generation by Phillip Norman, p 288; p 291.

Incidentally, I do have an original Sgt. Pepper album set described above.


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