Roger Waters The Wall

[Shaun @ Tru6]

The Wall

The Final Cut

Radio KAOS

Amused to Death

I strongly recommend listening to each of these albums, with lyrics in hand, several times, over a period of time. They may change how you think about certain issues we face today.

Roger Waters is authentic anti-establishment, anti-authoritarian.

[slodave]

The Final Cut gives me goose bumps every time I listen to it. Even though many consider it to be more of RW project, than PF, I still think of it as one of my favorite PF albums.

MRM nailed it. Good to see someone else that's so into PF.

[Garp]

Originally Posted by MRM

Roger Water's father was killed at Anzio in WWII when he was an infant or toddler. He never knew his father and his mother was scarred by the loss and found it hard to deal with Waters. The scene in the movie where the Pink character as a kid is going through his mom's dresser drawers and finds a box full of medals happened the same way in real life. The mom caught Waters looking through the medals, that he had never heard of or suspected because the father's memory was banished from the home, and she whopped him over the head when she found him looking at the medals. There was indeed a handwritten note from the King included.

Losing his father and seeing what wreckage that left behind, and then finding out what a screwup Anzio was, and that his father probably didn't have to die, wore heavilly on Waters. He wrote a song about it that as far as I know doesn't appear on any album indexes, but I think is a hidden track on one of the albums that came right after Dark Side of the Moon, maybe Wish You Were Here. The song describes how his father's regiment was ordered to stay behind to cover the withdrawal of other units and that there were no survivors. It ends with "And that's how the High Command took Daddy from me."

He became very oposed to all war as a reaction to losing his father. He created the Pink character as an alter-ego and created the faux WWII dictator setup to demonstrate the futility of all war and that following anyone blindly is wrong. He did not create the character to glorify Nazis or war. The point he was trying to make was the opposite.

Tx a million for posting this. I had absolutely no idea.

[futuresoptions]

IMHO, PF is probably the best band that has ever existed... They had melody, purpose, and made the listener think of the ramifications of what they were hearing.... You grew emotionally as a PF listener and I believe you grew musically as a PF listener.... most bands will either give you one or the other depending on which of their songs you are listening to but finding both to me is rare.... later years Beatles songs come to mind as well...

[Wintermute]

Originally Posted by futuresoptions

IMHO, PF is probably the best band that has ever existed... They had melody, purpose, and made the listener think of the ramifications of what they were hearing.... You grew emotionally as a PF listener and I believe you grew musically as a PF listener.... most bands will either give you one or the other depending on which of their songs you are listening to but finding both to me is rare.... later years Beatles songs come to mind as well...

+1000

Pink Floyd has influenced every single one of my favorite groups, and myself. Absolute masters of song-craft.

[daepp]

My $.02.

Was a huge fan of PF in my el lay youth.

Thought The Wall/The Final Cut were their best. I no longer think that - back to DSOTM.

The Wall/RW to me remain self indulgent and banal. I knew story back int he day of Anzio and When the Tigers Broke Free (I actually have in on a 45) - so are we today to believe that the grown up-bitter-self indulgent rock star is justified because his father followed orders while fighting the Nazis? This question has kept e from enjoying The Wall as an adult.

That said, I still get a hard on for the sax ending to Two Suns in the Sunset!