Music sharing.....

[island911]

Originally Posted by nostatic

But Jeff, art isn't important. Artists and musicians provide no real benefit to society, so they don't deserve to get paid.

Besides, *anyone* can write songs, tv shows or movies...

Seriously, you are going to take take the argument to an illogical (strawman) extreme?

Of course music has some value. The question is; will it stop being produced if the monopoly lasts only 40 years? . . .how about 20? . . .10?

[Gogar]

Yeah. Intellectual property rights be damned!!

[island911]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Yeah. Intellectual property rights be damned!!

There it is again. . .take the argument to an illogical (strawman) extreme.

No one is saying "intellectual property rights be damned!!" I am simply saying that music (even the CRAP) gets way more legal protection than it ought to have. Take for example that stupid (yet culturally ubiquitous) 'Happy Birthday" song --which, btw, even when sung horribly afar from the original is supposed to get paid for use (like when used for a TV show scene)

Contrast that with real inventions. A life saving drug, perhaps? ...Millions of dollars invested. ..and only a few years of protection before society owns it.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Besides, *anyone* can write songs, tv shows or movies...

Ah, I see you've listened to the radio, watched TV and gone to the movies lately!

[island911]

McLovin . . .don't forget You-Tube.

[pwd72s]

1700+ songs on my ipod...every one of them is on CD's I have...

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Ah, I see you've listened to the radio, watched TV and gone to the movies lately!

LOL! Lots of truth to that...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by island911

Seriously, you are going to take take the argument to an illogical (strawman) extreme?

Of course music has some value. The question is; will it stop being produced if the monopoly lasts only 40 years? . . .how about 20? . . .10?

Good grief man. You didn't see the green font? You've been around here for long enough to know....

[island911]

Milt, I think it must be you who isn't following this one. --I did understand Dr no's subtext.

[madmmac]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

1700+ songs on my ipod...every one of them is on CD's I have...

Holy crap, I would have never suspected that there were 1700+ versions of Mustang Sally.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by island911

Seriously, you are going to take take the argument to an illogical (strawman) extreme?

which is exactly what you did with your traffic laws analogy. So you evidently have a monopoly on the illogical strawman. How many years is that good for? 10? 20? A lifetime?

Oh, I forgot about the "life saving drug" - won't somebody think about the children?!?!?

[island911]

Originally Posted by nostatic

which is exactly what you did with your traffic laws analogy....:

whatchootalkinboutWillis . .. The speeding law is one which gets broken with regularity - as does the music 'sharing' laws.

Any reason for that?

But clearly you are emotional about this, and can't really put together a coherent thought.

witness the rest of your response

Originally Posted by nostatic

... How many years is that good for? 10? 20? A lifetime?

Oh, I forgot about the "life saving drug" - won't somebody think about the children?!?!?

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by island911

But clearly you are emotional about this, and can't really put together a coherent thought.

witness the rest of your response

True. I'm emotional and incoherent. And I'm stupid - I forget not to engage mean-spirited, aesthetically challenged trolls. My bad. I'll fix that posthaste.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by madmmac

Holy crap, I would have never suspected that there were 1700+ versions of Mustang Sally.

LOL! More than one, tho...I have it on my ipod... Funny, very few pop songs were done about Porsches back in the day...Even the opponent in Dead Man's Curve was a Jag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKuv5u55xzw

[island911]

Originally Posted by nostatic

True. I'm emotional and incoherent. And I'm stupid - I forget not to engage mean-spirited, aesthetically challenged trolls. My bad. I'll fix that posthaste.

Wow! ... " mean-spirited" you say?

Look in a mirror lately?

btw, I never even hinted that you were/are stupid, Dr no.

[GH85Carrera]

Island, I think you are confusing copyright with patent. Try to make copies of Catcher in the Rye or to Kill a Mockingbird and see how long it takes before you have a letter from some lawyers. A creative writing is different than an invention. Even great writers can’t write another masterpiece on cue.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by island911

Milt, I think it must be you who isn't following this one. --I did understand Dr no's subtext.

Hokay!!!!?????

[island911]

Thanks, Glen, but I'm not confusing the two. ...commingling, perhaps; but intentionally.

Clearly I hit a real nerve by suggesting that the works of (whomever owns the rights to ubiquitous "Happy Birthday") is somehow LESS of a useful contribution to society than something (like a life saving drug) that would be patented.

I'll say it again, copyright and patents are given to encourage new ideas. They both give a certain monopoly right, for a certain period of time, before they enter public domain.

The thrust, of what some find so offensive, is that perhaps that period is too long for music. --I mean OF COURSE everyone knows music takes some effort- But, what if the time protected was shortened, but the enforcement (fines, et al) went up?

At any rate, there certainly could be a better balance. As it is now many people are going to break that copyright because it's like having a 15mph highway speed-limit thru a "town" in a valley with only a barn and horse. --ah, the big dreams of revenue, as I park my police cruiser on the backside of the barn. Money for nuth'n and the chicks for free..

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by island911

I'll say it again, copyright and patents are given to encourage new ideas. They both give a certain monopoly right, for a certain period of time, before they enter public domain.

"copyright and patents are given to encourage new ideas" is your sentiment, and no matter how many times you say it, it's still only your sentiment. However, if you choose to register a copyright or publish your sentiment, you can retain ownership of it as your unique intellectual property until 70 years after your death.


I understand your argument about the 'usefulness' of things, but if there obviously is some kind of 'usefulness' of the 'happy birthday' song in American culture, because people are singing it. Some day the copyright will expire, and you can have your way with it, with impunity.

[island911]

Copyright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The length and requirements for copyright duration are subject to change by legislation, and since the early 20th century there have been a number of adjustments made in various countries, which can make determining the duration of a given copyright somewhat difficult. For example, the United States used to require copyrights to be renewed after 28 years to stay in force, and formerly required a copyright notice upon first publication to gain coverage

The current length of copyright, of 120- 150 years, is absurd, IMO.