Sailors are supposed to be raunchy.
 

That is all.

indeed

the public does not need to know

I thought this too until it was revealed that it was the Navy officers who produced the videos... It's one thing for sailors to watch some good girl-on-girl porn, but it's something else entirely when the Navy itself (in the form of an officer) produces the videos for them to watch...

From what I have seen of the videos, they wouldn't get a PG-13 rating, much less something worse. I've seen worse on the Comedy Channel.

JR

They call it "sailor talk" for a reason.

As has been pointed out, folks who run large warships powered by nuclear reactors and armed with tactical warheads should know better..

That been said, these so called "lewd" videos are being replayed endlessly on TV during morning shows and prime time TV.. What is unacceptable for adult sailors is just fine for kids while having their morning cornflakes..:rolleyes:

I watched the video.

It was mildly amusing.

I get more offended/irritated by the constant onslaught of viagra/cialis ads, feminine hygene products, etc. that are on during any football game.

Much ado about nothing. As I alluded to in my other thread, this is really just about the Obama administration making an example out of someone to reaffirm their position that "hey, the military is now all about gays" in order to secure the gay vote in 2012.

Thanks for your opinion, but do you have any evidence that the Obama administration had anything to do with it at all? The story broke after someone on the ship told a Virginia newspaper about it. All the reports I've read are about what the Navy is doing about it.
The guy who produced the videos was the second in command of a half-billion dollar ship and he was acting like a frat boy. The only responsible thing to do is replace him with someone who is serious about his job and his career.

The story "broke" 3-4 years after it happened?!?! If the sailors were so incensed and offended, why didn't they report it earlier?

Surely they haven't been at sea that long...

My guess is that the person who reported it was gay and thought he would get thrown out of the Navy if he made any noise. If that's the case, then the repeal of don't ask don't tell has already improved our military by getting fratboy out of the driver's seat of that nuclear carrier.

The problem is, it's hard to command the respect of your subordinates if you are all jokey-jokey with them (or if they perceive that you are). It's okay to have fun, but when sailors start seeing you as just another "bud," than your not a good leader. The best officers in my command have been the ones that balance authority with courtesy...in other words an officer you aren't afraid to go to with a legitimate problem but one that isn't acting more like a roomate/drinking buddy than a Naval Officer.

+1 Much ado about stuff that should have remained on board...

I suspect there's something else going on here. Couldn't the "gay" person have reported it anonymously to someone 3-4 years earlier? From what I've read, everyone on board liked the videos.

I made 2 cruise's during my time. Kitty Hawk in 86 around the world,and a Nimitz west pac in88. When you cross the equator, there is a celebration to initiate the first timers, or wogs as they are referred to. The guys who have gone before,or shellbacks, put on the event and it lasts all day.
This video looks as though it may have been produced for an event like wog day.
If you could see the pictures I have it would make some that video look tame by comparison.
It never entered my mind to publish photos to try and disgrace people.
In my mind the real problem is the person who released this stuff to the media,and the politicians for insisting the Navy do some thing about it.
A non story, taken out of context. And for another generation of Sailors,a tradition lost.
Sad

Actually I read people had complained in the past about the videos, when the guy was only the XO. Now he is CO, and it finally caught up to him.

I was stationed on that ship from 92-96. Nothing like that went on when I was in. Of course the ship was in the yards most of time.

it was reported years ago - nothing was done

that appears to be a failure by one or more flag officers, so expect to see discipline there next

Professionalism.

I have worked with and for some of the most 'professional' companies in the world and trust me PROFESSIONALISM is a myth. That is akin to Priests keeping their hands off alter boys and cleaning ladies. Ya! Right!

If you spent anytime with a 'professional' athlete or a 'professional' musician or a 'professional' upper management type you would quickly see that the image they portray to the public is much cleaner than they truly are. Now, imagine the ones that the public sees as real scalawags! Those are the real fun ones.

Did this really need to of public stuff? I mean really now. The media does not have anything better to report? This country is really turning into a bunch of pantie waists. For God Sake America NUT UP!

Low standards.

Social experiment.

Lol!

That has not been my experience in the military, nearly every officer I've worked under was professional.

Oh please Shaun! Standards? Standards are limitations - the essential criteria needed to establish the status quo of performance. A standard ensures uniformity and seamless replace ability. Lets put things into perspective. This video was not made for general distribution. It was intended for the sole purpose of entertaining the sailors only. And save for a few 'sensitive' types it did just that. The officers I have known are as filthy in private as you can imagine but in public they are true gentlemen. So is the same for many.

Why do we have to think that private activity has to translate over to public image? Isn't that what the whole gay shyt in the armed forces is about? The liberals want gays to openly serve yet they don't want off-color videos or comments to be made? Why? Is it offensive?

Well I think its pretty F***'n offensive to see two men kiss but guess what, when it happens I look the other way and think "oh well". If people find something offensive why can't they just turn away and let it pass. It exsists for a reason...like being gay. It is what it is. If your into, fine, if your not...fine.

That would be because we (the public) expect them to be professional. If we expected our senior military officers to behave they're living in Animal House then this would be not big deal. If it was an enlisted man who did it, it would be no big deal. But this clown is the second in command of an aircraft carrier. I'm with Shaun on this one. I don't expect leaders to act like children.

Leaders paid for with public taxes.

Standards, Professionalism, Accountability. They form a feedback loop/cycle that yields Excellence.

And like I said, this wasn't for public distribution. I do not think this guy would act like D-Day in public. What goes on behind closed doors should stay there.

"And like I said, this wasn't for public distribution. What goes on behind closed doors should stay there."
- William Jefferson Clinton

Wow! You guys have a real pie-eyed view of the world! This video falls into the personal realm. If it didn't, the maker (XO) would have sent it to C-Span and FOX.

Do ya really think there isn't a difference between personal / private and public persona?

But I wonder what devilish things the Kennedy's et al did behind closed doors? While we are at it, lets turn up the lights on all leaders and those in power positions shall we?

I got news for ya, the 'cleaner' someone appears outside the more dirty they are inside. Que Hoover at any point. Beware of a person who doesn't tell an off-color or raunchy joke from time to time or display a social fault. That tells me they have some serious hard-core shyt going on inside or they are trying to fool me or worse, themselves.

Never trust a man that has never lied, cheated or stolen. He has, he is just to darn good at it to be caught.

Wow, you guys didn't feel the same way when President Clinton was getting Blown in the Oval office by an intern....

Did the CO screw up, yes, does someone else have an agenda, that is why this was blasted all over the media:mad:

You should invest in robots than because that is not human nature and it never will be.

Keep going on that thought and you just as well instill Sharia into the military and public office. Is that what you want?

Lol!

I wasn't a Clinton fan but I lost all respect when he just didn't NUT UP and say, yup, I inhaled and got some great skull. But again, like I said, the cleaner on the outside the dirtier on the inside.

Oh ya, please don't pull in examples of a Grandmother, Father or who ever. I know Gammy was a saint and Daddy never would ever look at a pic of a nakid pin-up girl and the CO you served under never used a swear word...

Cracking raunchy jokes in private is different from recording and broadcasting them to 6000 people. You don't have to be very smart to realize that this may get you in trouble. I would expect someone in charge of an aircraft carrier to be able to anticipate the outcome of their actions a little better - next time it may be those 6000 lives at stake when the guy makes the wrong call. This is why he has to go IMHO.

George

I'm not sure how this is a liberal vs. conservative debate...to me it's a question of good leadership. Also, a "private" video isn't exactly private when it goes out to an entire ship from E-1 to O-6. The XO is responsible for routine operations and discipline on the ship, which is pretty hard to do when you are perceived as a clown...

Taken in context this was a parody at best,not meant for public consumption.
Taken out of context,distributed to the media and broadcast around the world,he comes off like an irresponsible D##k.
Which he is not.

Perhaps we should have some of the active and retired officers chime in?

agree..
so for fun we will have a fruit tossing contest on the fantail..

Rika

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