Assasination attempt in Arizona

[speeder]

I would be the wrong one to take part in the counter-protest. There would be nothing but maimed and broken bodies left and I would go to prison. Plus it would be bad PR for our side.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

If you're referring to the AZ shooting, not sure if any laws were broken before the incident.

IMHO, it's a mistake to apply draconian security measures without addressing some reasons why there's a threat in the first place, then perhaps draconian measures won't be needed which are largely ineffective in the long run (RE: mideast). Reducing hate speech and loose-lipped macho language are a couple of things that people can control, either at the source or from public pressure. And it always helps to have a well-informed govt. and populace able to filter the wheat from the chafe. Hopefully, this will keep the borderline-types among us at bay.

Sherwood

Correct, I was only showing that even in the place where criminals shouldn't have guns, as too the hate speech, start from the top..

Obama has been calling for violence for a while now. He will have to live with the consequences. He should be ashamed!
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”


** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I do...n’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”


** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.

Yep, that is a lot of hate speech from one with a lot of followers...

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by speeder

I would be the wrong one to take part in the counter-protest. There would be nothing but maimed and broken bodies left and I would go to prison. Plus it would be bad PR for our side.

You wouldn't be alone, you'd have your legal defense fund fully funded in no time and you'd be a hero in the joint and in the online world. You'd probably have a lifetime's worth of "get out of jail free" cards afterwards too.

[speeder]

Hmmm...

[speeder]

Byron, this thread has managed to go 8 pages w/o winding up in the PARF dungeon and then you post that garbage??? WTF is wrong w/ you, boy? Don't you get your fill over in PARF?

Jesus...

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by speeder

Byron, this thread has managed to go 8 pages w/o winding up in the PARF dungeon and then you post that garbage??? WTF is wrong w/ you, boy? Don't you get your fill over in PARF?

Jesus...

Sorry Dennis, but when it gets blamed on Hate Speech, but ignores where it started, I had to answer.

[emcon5]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Why couldn't you charge that guy with violating CA's ban on mags of over 10 rounds? Didn't he have some of those for his rifles?

Because that law is so poorly written it is unenforceable? It is not illegal to posses or even buy high-capacity magazines in California. It is illegal to manufacture, import or sell them though. (reference with P.C. cite)

I posted this in PARF as well, but for those who avoid it, interesting interview with one of the shooter's freinds in Mother Jones.

Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a "fake." Loughner's animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with "lucid dreaming"—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became "more interested in this world than our reality." Tierney adds, "I saw his dream journal once. That's the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."

Giffords was the target of Loughner's rampage, prosecutors say, and the sworn affidavit accompanying the charges mentions that Loughner attended a Giffords "Congress in Your Corner" event in 2007. The affidavit also mentions that police searching a safe in Loughner's home found a letter from Giffords' office thanking the alleged shooter for attending an August 25, 2007 event.*

Tierney, who's also 22, recalls Loughner complaining about a Giffords event he attended during that period. He's unsure whether it was the same one mentioned in the charges—Loughner "might have gone to some other rallies," he says—but Tierney notes it was a significant moment for Loughner: "He told me that she opened up the floor for questions and he asked a question. The question was, 'What is government if words have no meaning?'"
"He said, 'Can you believe it, they wouldn't answer my question.' Ever since that, he thought she was fake, he had something against her."

Giffords' answer, whatever it was, didn't satisfy Loughner. "He said, 'Can you believe it, they wouldn't answer my question,' and I told him, 'Dude, no one's going to answer that,'" Tierney recalls. "Ever since that, he thought she was fake, he had something against her."

He was a crazy stoner who lived with his parents, who had a grudge against a woman who didn't properly answer a nonsensical question.

There is nothing from his friend stating he was political at all.

Since hearing of the rampage, Tierney has been trying to figure out why Loughner did what he allegedly did. "More chaos, maybe," he says. "I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what's happening. He wants all of that." Tierney thinks that Loughner's mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie: "He ****s things up to **** **** up, there's no rhyme or reason, he wants to watch the world burn. He probably wanted to take everyone out of their monotonous lives: 'Another Saturday, going to go get groceries'—to take people out of these norms that he thought society had trapped us in."

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Arizona 911

I live in Tucson and just heard some more disturbing news about this tragic event. Those nut jobs from the Westboro Baptist Church, the same group that protest at soldiers funerals, are planning on coming here to Tucson to protest at 9 year old Christina Green's funeral. I am speechless about how they can do this. My daughters go to Catholic School and we received an e-mail today that the school is closing on Thursday for the funeral which is going to be at our church. We didn't know this little girl but it really hurts me because my oldest daughter is 8 years old and I can't imagine how I could cope with losing her. To have a hate group protest an innocent little girl's funeral is just sick. They are actually praising the shooter.

just make a call to the Patriot Guard. They'll form a shield around the family.

[drcoastline]

We should form a ring around the WBC scumbags. Not a barrier around the family. Has a date been set for Christina Greene's funeral? I would like to book a flight to help.

[audiman08]

What could the WBC have against a 9 year-old murdered girl? I'm not familiar enough with them to know.

[emcon5]

Originally Posted by audiman08

What could the WBC have against a 9 year-old murdered girl? I'm not familiar enough with them to know.

In their view, every horrible thing happens is punishment from God because of the tolerance the US has for homosexuality.

In other words, she died because, in their words, "God hates fags."

[audiman08]

Originally Posted by emcon5

In their view, every horrible thing happens is punishment from God because of the tolerance the US has for homosexuality.

In other words, she died because, in their words, "God hates fags."

wow...that's so messed up. Talk about rubbing salt into her parents' wounds

[Arizona 911]

The funeral mass is Thursday at 1:00 p.m.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

Not to take this thread off topic but I think people should should be responsible for themselves in many other areas as well. I don't want to subsidies food stamps, unemployment or housing. NOTHING. I have my family and I am responsible for them. Not someone Else's unless I feel compelled to help.

Unemployment?...You mean unemployment insurance? Insurance is for, as my father always says, "to insure your ass don't go broke". Seriously, this is a fund (administered by the state) to which both the employer and employee contribute. Like all forms of insurance, in the event of a major loss such as life,health,(JOB),property you are covered(protected)financially. Since we're off topic, there are even several types of (financial insurance) not advertised as such. Lets say for example, you own stock and you are worried about price fluctuations, you can use financial contracts called options. Options, whether calls or puts can be used to protect your stock position and as such are a form of insurance.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

I agree with Ricks post above. More laws restricting the law abiding persons ability to obtain a gun isn't going to fix the problem. I think it would only increase the sale of illegal guns. If a gang banger wants a gun he's not going to the local walmart and applying for it hes going to the back alley in the hood. So did anyone get help by the law? I say no.

I'm amazed at the imagined insight into what goes on in the hood some people here have. Its kind of like George Clooney in Africa, Im sure he means well but ...ones insight is somewhat different if they are actually from the place of which they speak/or are concerned about.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by drcoastline

I don't want to subsidies food stamps, unemployment or housing. NOTHING. I have my family and I am responsible for them. Not someone Else's unless I feel compelled to help.

A lot of people feel that way. "Screw you, I've got mine."
I'm not wired that way. I think we are better than animals (though even some animals take care of each other). I think our capacity for empathy and to help others, both through government and individually, is part of what makes us human. But God did choose humans, of all His creation, to have consciousness of good an evil - so you can make the decision you've made and I can make the one I've made.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

A lot of people feel that way. "Screw you, I've got mine."

Yep... until they fall down...

[Esel Mann]

Originally Posted by scoe911

I'm amazed at the imagined insight into what goes on in the hood some people here have. Its kind of like George Clooney in Africa, Im sure he means well but ...ones insight is somewhat different if they are actually from the place of which they speak/or are concerned about.

Scoe911, can you please expand more on your comment? I didn't make the connection between what you wrote and what you quoted.

[T77911S]

what makes this so bad is that she must have been one that really cared. to be out in public wanting to know wha the people actually had to say. we need more poeple like her

[drcoastline]

wdfifteen, scoe911,

This thread is about the AZ tragedy. Someone made a comment about "individual responsibility" regarding one of my posts. I used those areas as examples and did not go into any further than to point them out as "examples" of what I feel should be part of personal responsibility. There are other areas as well. I am not going to get into a debate over those topics on this thread. If you would like to start another read about those topics I will chime in with my opinion.

That being said I do not have an "I got mine screw you attitude". However I do feel that if I worked for my money I should be able to decided who I want my money to help. Over and above my tax dollars I donate a large percentage of my income charity, both monetarily and by services we offer for free or at drastically reduced costs.