Navy Seals and Special Forces

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by aways

Seals are great, but are still human (i.e. not perfect). I wonder how the pilot of the downed secret stealth copter (the tail section of which is now surely on its way to China) feels after clipping the wall of the Osama compound and dropping it. It seems inexplicable that they didn't destroy the tail section along with the rest of the chopper. This, unfortunately, was a major F-up in what was otherwise a very successful mission.

I wouldn't stress over it. The Chinese and Russians got an F-117 downed over Serbia back in the mid 90s.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by aways

Seals are great, but are still human (i.e. not perfect).

Yeah, we don't want to get all carried away with the Heero crap. They ain't perfect and make major fk ups; we just don't get to know about them of course.

I wonder how the pilot of the downed secret stealth copter (the tail section of which is now surely on its way to China) feels after clipping the wall of the Osama compound and dropping it.

Yeah! There's an example right there! Have you heard the bull shyte the gubmint has been putting out that it was 'equipment failure'? HA!

It seems inexplicable that they didn't destroy the tail section along with the rest of the chopper.

Yeah. Fking inexplcable is right! Fer chrissake, they were on the ground for forty frickin' minutes!

This, unfortunately, was a major F-up in what was otherwise a very successful mission.

There ya go! Major fk up right there.

Just curious, what branch of the military did you serve in?

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[johnnywishbone]

Originally Posted by aways

Seals are great, but are still human (i.e. not perfect). I wonder how the pilot of the downed secret stealth copter (the tail section of which is now surely on its way to China) feels after clipping the wall of the Osama compound and dropping it. It seems inexplicable that they didn't destroy the tail section along with the rest of the chopper. This, unfortunately, was a major F-up in what was otherwise a very successful mission.

seals and seal delivery are apples/oranges. i think. the delivery has become a separate very demanding skill.
someone told me the army was driving the choppers. no?

[onewhippedpuppy]

I had the opportunity to speak with several C-130 pilots that are part of a wing dedicated to SOF-only ops. I suspect that they would have similar groups for helicopters, these guys aren't doing run of the mill stuff. The C-130 guys spent the bulk of their time flying at night.

[johnnywishbone]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

The guys that were the real deal aren't hanging out at the VFW telling stories over a beer. You also seem to assume that because we weren't at war our SOF spent their time on the couch eating chips and watching TV. The entire point of their existence is to accomplish missions in places they aren't supposed to be without anyone knowing they were there.

as i understand it entry into the VFW requires DD-214 verification of duty, boots on the ground, war zone, foreign soil.

[aways]

Originally Posted by DARISC

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The SEALs would acknowledge it if some mistakes were made. They can handle the truth, and they don't need patronizing, PC suck-up pussies like you defending them.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

as i understand it entry into the VFW requires DD-214 verification of duty, boots on the ground, war zone, foreign soil.

That also includes cooks, mechanics, etc. My only point is that the folks telling war stories typically aren't those that have lived it. My father was a forward air controller in Vietnam, he will still barely speak of what he saw. I don't believe a lifetime is long enough to forget the horror of war.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Like a freight train... Once they start and get their momentum, which takes about 0.8 of a second they will "Burn, Smash, Destroy" through any obstacle to get to their target.

They truly are the best of the best.

Do you remember that guy in high school who was 6 foot tall and the number one jock? You know... They guy with all the girls trying to get his attention.
He wouldn't make it past the selection process.

From here... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/606459-osma-taken-alive.html#post6000694

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by aways

The SEALs would acknowledge it if some mistakes were made. They can handle the truth, and they don't need patronizing, PC suck-up pussies like you defending them.

PC suck-up pussie? HAHAHA! I was 'agreeing' with you! 'Agreeing' with every one of your scumbag criticisms of something you obviously know precious little about. What are you, a moron who doesn't even recognize what he just posted? Too funny!

So, what branch of the military did you serve in?

[aways]

Originally Posted by DARISC

PC suck-up pussie? HAHAHA! I was 'agreeing' with you! 'Agreeing' with every one of your scumbag criticisms of something you obviously know precious little about. What are you, a moron who doesn't even recognize what he just posted? Too funny!

So, what branch of the military did you serve in?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/606523-term-moron-overused.html

[Joe Bob]

I just got a nasty PM using "moron" from the antiyank.....

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by aways

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/606523-term-moron-overused.html

Since you ask, not in your case.

Do simple, direct questions confuse you?

You speak with such confidence and apparent knowledge about inept chopper pilots and fk'd up military missions, I can't help but wonder what branch you served in.

If your myopia kept you out, it's ok to admit it. Or if you just didn't wanna go, that's ok too. You don't have to serve in the military to be a good American.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

I just got a nasty PM using "moron" from the antiyank.....

Who's the antiyank? . Was it entertainingly nasty? Share it if it was. Actually, share your reply; I'll bet that's amusing.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I had the opportunity to speak with several C-130 pilots that are part of a wing dedicated to SOF-only ops. I suspect that they would have similar groups for helicopters, these guys aren't doing run of the mill stuff. The C-130 guys spent the bulk of their time flying at night.

google Night Stalkers

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by johnnywishbone

seals and seal delivery are apples/oranges. i think. the delivery has become a separate very demanding skill.
someone told me the army was driving the choppers. no?

Might have been 160th SOAR. Those guys are Delta's chauffeurs.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

That also includes cooks, mechanics, etc. My only point is that the folks telling war stories typically aren't those that have lived it. My father was a forward air controller in Vietnam, he will still barely speak of what he saw. I don't believe a lifetime is long enough to forget the horror of war.

+1. Had a relative who served on a PT boat in 'nam...never talked about it. He was generally a fun-loving extroverted type (looked liked a hippie most of his life - undercover, ran for sheriff later). One time we were boating, and ventured up a small channel on a local lake...the further we went, the "darker his expression became" as I could tell he was "going back" to a place he had really never left...he was someone "I didn't know" the rest of the afternoon, very withdrawn. Thank you to all who have served or seen combat....the rest of us will NEVER, EVER know the horrors...

[NY65912]

My best bud through childhood, high school and college just retired from the Special Forces (bird colonel).

He spent four years in Afghanistan negotiating with warlords. He then spent two years in Pakistan negotiating with their bad guys and the government.

During Ranger training he opted the M60 as his weapon, more points. He had hundreds of jumps and was HALO qualified.

Not a badass. A very non-assuming type, and a Jew, but told everyone he was Italian because his last name ended with an O.

He is also the smartest person I have ever met. He is fluent in multiple Southeast Asian languages.

Before 911 he was the US Army liaison officer to Thailand. Years ago he was captured by remnants of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and got released by them by using his brain.

Most of the Ops were covert targeting missions. He was one of he first in Afghanistan before we went in officially. He's been pinned by GW Bush for service and valor.

After he retired he was working for a "private security consulting firm" in Pakistan.

The point is, what really makes these men special is their intelligence. Their brain is their best weapon.

I'll see him in July and hopefully get some insight as to what went down, but probably not.

He is my personal hero and a true hero to the nation. If you met him you would think he was a school teacher or a counselor.

I am very proud to say that he is my friend. I love him dearly.

Thanks.... "Murph" for your service and sacrifice.

[GH85Carrera]

Thank him for his service from the rest of us.

When we lived at Hickam AFB I made a lot of cash mowing yards as a kid. One yard I used to mow was a General's house. He would let me come in to the lanai where he always wrote me a check instead of cash. He started in the Army Air Corps as a pilot but he was not an officer. He kept getting arrested at different bases for wearing wings and stripes. They eventually sent him to officers school to make him an officer so he could keep flying.

My dad knew him and they had a few drinks at the O-club. The General had a lot of funny and amazing stories. He had a chest full of medals the only time I ever saw him in uniform. I was just a dumb kid and had no idea what a hero he was. I wish I remembered more about him. He is one of the few that went from Private to General.

[romad]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

That also includes cooks, mechanics, etc. My only point is that the folks telling war stories typically aren't those that have lived it. My father was a forward air controller in Vietnam, he will still barely speak of what he saw. I don't believe a lifetime is long enough to forget the horror of war.

Whipped,
Was the old man a ground or air FAC

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

That also includes cooks, mechanics, etc. My only point is that the folks telling war stories typically aren't those that have lived it. My father was a forward air controller in Vietnam, he will still barely speak of what he saw. I don't believe a lifetime is long enough to forget the horror of war.

I think you are quite correct - I lost my father recently - a veteran of Korea and Vietnam - we knew nothing about what he did during the wars - until he died. He would never, ever talk of it, even when asked directly. When we were getting ready to inter him in the local military cemetery - the military wanted to know if we wanted full honors, because my Dad had received the Air Force Cross. We kids didn't even know...

Your father no doubt is a special man, as are all the men who serve their country. We need to keep a special place for them in our prayers.