Subaru BRZ
 

200hp, boxer engine, RWD. Weight and cost TBD but production in 2012

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I read 200hp but I still want to drive one.

Yeah, I think one of the sources I read was dreaming of an STi version. If the weight is low 200hp would be just fine. I know that my GTI w/200hp was plenty fast and was a hoot on the track even with FWD.

sound great!

2013 Subaru BRZ Prototype First Drive - Motor Trend

Sounds intriguing but I wonder how it will compare to the traditional 4wd models that have come to be so appreciated partly because of the all wheel drive that makes them so easy to drive fast on a rally course.

Hasn't Scion announced something very similar?

According to my friend who has been waiting for one forever there are three versions. The subie and scion versions but there's also the toyota version aka the ft86 which will be the trd version and the fastest.

rofl :D

at least it isn't from Airbus...

Nice concept. Needs more power. This is fine for entry level for but those among us who thing that a wretched excess of tire smoking, power-sliding, ridiculous g-force on acceleration is just right - this little cutie falls short.

That direct injection 2.0 engine is capable of much, much more. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!! GIVE US ALL WHAT WE WANT!!!! POWER!

angela

Wow... 2500 lbs... that's uncommon these days. Could be fun.

I've been very interested in these... this is what i've found.

Three versions:
-Toyota FT-86, japan only
-Scion FR-S for US market (these two are identical save the badge)
-Subie BRZ for all markets

The 'yota versions have a 197hp 4cyl. No power numbers on the Subie, but rumors of a near 300hp STi version. I expect ~225-250hp from a boosted four in the base.

The weight of ~2600 seems to be correct. No word on pricing.

And yes, the wing is a bit much.

2600 lbs and lower cg than my Cayman S. Color me very interested...

Wingless pix:

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Looks like the base models will be the same for both. I expect Subaru to differentiate itself with its "STi version".

Magazines are reporting anywhere from $25k - $28k. Not what I'd call "cheap", but not expensive, either.

Am I insane for thinking of trading my Cayman S for one? I wonder if the Subie has an intermediate shaft bearing to worry about? :p

I'm not totally sold on the styling, but this should be a fun car to drive.

US weight has come in at 2,822lbs.

2013 Toyota 86 First Drive

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Well that's a little disappointing, but still very good. I wonder how much options have to do with this? ..and transmission choice?

That's a great comparo. Looks like it will be smaller than the Cayman (which is about 172" long). Geez, and I thought my car was small next to a Genesis...

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Hold off for the TRD supercharged version.....I'm sure there will be one coming.

Saw both the Subaru and the Scion at the LA show. The one that impressed me was the Ford Focus ST, 246hp 2.0 turbo. Coming in late 2012 worldwide...
2013 Ford Focus ST | Focus ST. Experience the Thrill. | Ford.com

This sounded interesting (no pun intended)..

The muscular high-performance exhaust system peeks out through a central dual-pipe design at the rear of the vehicle. It’s tuned to deliver a confident growl under power. And to help make sure you hear that rumble of excitement coming from under the hood, the Focus ST is equipped with a sound symposer box. It’s designed to enrich the natural sounds of the vehicle by capturing internal engine oscillations and piping them through the interior.

The styling has grown on me I really like the back. It's great without the wing reminds me of a tvr.

If willtell is right about the weight at 2822 pounds that is a little disappointing with 200 hp. Congrats to them they've made a 944S 20 years late

I found another article that says 2775 lbs. I guess we'll have to wait and see the final numbers.

It doesn't specifically say (or I missed it), but since they talk alot about torque steer technology I assume it is FWD. By comparison the Subiyota is RWD.

I'm interested. I will at least take one on a test drive.

That is a surprisingly good looking little car. Hopefully it will not have the "high waist" look of all of the new cars, where you can't see out of the rear windows. The low and deep engine should keep the entire waistline lower on the car.

SUBARU BRZ FIRST IMPRESSION - YouTube
[SUBARU] SUBARU BRZ Movie - YouTube
2013 Subaru BRZ

It is FWD. Here's a quote from an R&T article on the Focus ST: "The 2012 Ford Focus ST employs a variety of technologies to increase the car’s agility without sacrificing ride quality. As managing torque steer on a front-drive chassis always represents a challenge, Ford addresses this with its new Torque Steer Compensation System. Rather than limiting torque to the front wheels, the TSC works in concert with the car’s electric-assist power steering (EPAS) to counteract torque steer. The EPAS system has also been tuned to provide ample feedback through its variable-ratio system in tight cornering while at the same time adding sufficient weighting for precise on-center control during high-speed cruising.

The Focus ST also has electronic stability control with three modes: standard, reduced or wide-slip mode, and off. The car is also equipped with Enhanced Torque Vectoring Control, which is independent of the Torque Steering Control system. This system applies the brakes to the inner wheel in cornering to reduce understeer in both power-on and power-off conditions.

Overall the suspension has been tuned using upgraded shock and spring settings, which help lower the ST’s ride height for a lower center of gravity and a more aggressive look The rear suspension has been revamped with new suspension knuckles, and there’s also a new anti-roll bar design."

The Subi/ Scion was nice, just disappointed that they weren't going to offer a turbo version. I think Ford is really going to gain on the WRX/ Evo/ A3/ Speed 3 crowd.

The a3/speed3 are in a totally different class than the EVO and wrx....

I'd say the Speed3 and the WRX are in the same "class," but the Evo and the A3 are in two completely differnet classes altogether.

I heard Toyota and Subie were working together to bring back a "Celica" for Toyota and a 2 door for Subie based on the same car.

Looks like it came out a little different than expected, originally I'd heard the Toyota would be FWD, and the Subie 4wd. I guess I didn't keep up with it enough past initial info a few years ago. I was looking fowards to see what they did, so far, doesn't look too shabby.

How? The WRX is a badass, rally breed awd beast.... The speed 3 is a fwd car with a few go fast bits bolted on....

I think you meant to say STi.

The WRX and the Speed3 are basically a draw.

So none of these new sciontoyotasuba-fords come with AWD...

AWD is for hipsters and little girls. :p

It appears that they're all RWD.

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Reminds me of \/



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I thought the same thing.

A used boxster S/Cayman S will spank this car in every direction. Let alone a 20 year old 968.

The styling is god awful. Take away the badge and I don't even know who the F makes it. Mismatched lines feel like they were pulled from all sorts of 'whats hot' these days but nothing jives. 200HP in 2700lbs (it will be 2800+ fully loaded) isn't worthwhile these days- a late 944 turbo has better power-to-weight. Give me a new Solstice GXP instead.

How much does it cost to to take a 2012 Cayman S off the showroom floor?

Seriously. Where are these low $20k Cayman S's?

You can't buy a new Solstice. Production ended in 2009.

I'm very interested in one. Small, rwd, decent power, hopefully Toyota reliability... perfect for hauling tofu through the hills.

btw, it's more than an improvement on the original.

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