seriously? $500 for a door?

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by Soukus

Never seen a fire rated door on a house with spring closure unless that is new code in the last year or so.
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Spring closure on my door when I bought my house in 1984.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Soukus

Never seen a fire rated door on a house with spring closure unless that is new code in the last year or so.

Been that way all along in CA. Usually it's door closer, but the spring hinges will do.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by Soukus

Never seen a fire rated door on a house with spring closure unless that is new code in the last year or so.

Nope, been using 'B' label (fire rated) doors to garage for 15-20+ years now...... with spring hinges.

[gr8fl4porsche]

Originally Posted by dad911

Nope, been using 'B' label (fire rated) doors to garage for 15-20+ years now...... with spring hinges.

I put a new fire rated door in my garage recently. Used the cheapo stamped steel from HD - $ 199.00 prehung.

Are these the spring hinges you are referring to?

[gr8fl4porsche]

[dad911]

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche

That's what we use.

[MotoSook]

Originally Posted by dad911

Nope, been using 'B' label (fire rated) doors to garage for 15-20+ years now...... with spring hinges.

Fire doors, yes, but in these parts the auto closing doesn't appear to be required.

[MotoSook]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

So you think removing a door and its trim, fitting and shimming the new door, then replacing the trim and painting it is easy?

Go for it.

Menards...dear lord. That place sells garbage.

Will replacing the weather stripping solve the problem?

Hanging a pre-hung door isn't rocket science, but I guess it depends on a person's skill (including the hired help's)...just like anything. A year ago we moved to a new house and the wife and I wanted nice double doors for an interior room. We special ordered some from Menards after shopping around. The quality is very good compared to more expensive doors we could have bought elsewhere. It was still $800. Short for time, I hired my wife's cousin who is a carpenter to hang the doors. Turns out I was home when he came to hang them and as when I take my expensive wheels to the tire shop, I watched like a hawk. It wasn't rocket science per the pro-carpenter method...and he did eaxactly what I would have done. I've installed one or two doors before. We even reused the trims since we carefully removed them. Sure it takes time, but if you care about your work, it takes care of itself.

Menards...yeah they sell some crap, but so does every other store. You buy the cheapest, you you will likely get crap. You buy the most expensive from anywhere...and you may have just overpaid. I have since bought a steel door for my office in the barn from Menards on sale for $99. The sheet metal isn't as heavy as some doors, but it'll do just fine. I paid for 2 single and one double fire doors for my old shop that the builder bought from a respected building supplier in the area...and the quality was good, but it they don't make my $99 door door look like crap. I like value for my money, but I also like to qualify the product before purchase.

You should see the crap (carpentry and material) they call homes that were built around here in the last 15 years. A mildly skilled home owner can do better with time and research. It's no wonder the home supply stores did so well. Folks buy a $250K home and they proceed to upgrade to better quality. No offense to guys like Milt, but the pros don't always live up to one's expectations.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by Soukus

Hanging a pre-hung door isn't rocket science, but I guess it depends on a person's skill (including the hired help's)...just like anything. A year ago we moved to a new house and the wife and I wanted nice double doors for an interior room. We special ordered some from Menards after shopping around. The quality is very good compared to more expensive doors we could have bought elsewhere. It was still $800. Short for time, I hired my wife's cousin who is a carpenter to hang the doors. Turns out I was home when he came to hang them and as when I take my expensive wheels to the tire shop, I watched like a hawk. It wasn't rocket science per the pro-carpenter method...and he did eaxactly what I would have done. I've installed one or two doors before. We even reused the trims since we carefully removed them. Sure it takes time, but if you care about your work, it takes care of itself.

Menards...yeah they sell some crap, but so does every other store. You buy the cheapest, you you will likely get crap. You buy the most expensive from anywhere...and you may have just overpaid. I have since bought a steel door for my office in the barn from Menards on sale for $99. The sheet metal isn't as heavy as some doors, but it'll do just fine. I paid for 2 single and one double fire doors for my old shop that the builder bought from a respected building supplier in the area...and the quality was good, but it they don't make my $99 door door look like crap. I like value for my money, but I also like to qualify the product before purchase.

You should see the crap (carpentry and material) they call homes that were built around here in the last 15 years. A mildly skilled home owner can do better with time and research. It's no wonder the home supply stores did so well. Folks buy a $250K home and they proceed to upgrade to better quality. No offense to guys like Milt, but the pros don't always live up to one's expectations.

The thread was started from a fellow in Chicago or area. Codes vary around the country and he needs the specifics from his city or township. Not to be a braggart, but I have lots of experience with his simple door ordeal. Pure and simple, I would suggest getting the proper pre-hung from a reputable manufacturer. Labor: An ENGLISH speaking pro should have the old one out including the jamb, save the trimmers, install the new pre-hung and trim at a comfortable pace in an hour. Only a one person job... no helper is needed, let alone carrying it. Labor cost should be a $100. 'Git her done!'

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Red88Carrera

Not all steel doors are fire-rated, nor are fire doors all the same rating. Also, fire-rated doors must have spring loaded hinges or automatic closer.

That wasn't the case here in Ohio when I remodeled one of my commercial buildings. Yes, steel door, no to the spring loaded hinges.

[kaisen]

I think the spring closing door is code here as access to the garage, but not a regular entry door

[john70t]

A call to the local building/code dept should answer the question.

Fire-rated doors to the garage are almost universal, but the requirement of additional spring-hinges may vary.
The commercial city-code inspector here wanted some type of door closer on a residential rental door(non-fire). Go figure.

[MotoSook]

Originally Posted by NotaBRG

I should add a spring hinge to my front door as often as the kids leave it open.

Then the door will slam shut everytime....with 3 teenaged I know.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

The thread was started from a fellow in Chicago or area. Codes vary around the country and he needs the specifics from his city or township. ......

Many (Most?) areas of the country have adopted various versions of the IBC/IRC. Looks like areas of Illinois have, but not Chicago. ICC - International Code Council

So, frankly I made some assumptions in prior responses, but at least around here, 'B' rated doors have been a requirement for a long time, before IBC/IRC, there were also required in BOCA and CABO codes.