I need a car...and it must have these:

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

None of these cars new are worth a fraction of their price and the depreciation proves it. If you have the kind of income or wealth where that just doesn't matter, go for it. I know a guy who walked into the local BMW dealer a few months ago and dropped ~$250k on two new cars: an X6 M for himself, (I know...), and the new 7-series hybrid for the wife. He probably didn't even ask for a discount. I would imagine the sales managers are still blowing each other over that one.

Unless that's your situation, I can't imagine why anyone who's a real car person would even look at any of these extremely over-priced and expensive new cars that for the most part are ugly and not fun. But that's just me.

If you don't fit that criteria, I'd like to think you aren't looking at $70k cars PERIOD. I'd have to have one hell of a lot of money to drop that sort of coin on a car, especially considering that 6-8 years later you can get it for 25% of the new price.

I'm with you on the earlier comment about the HP though, frankly it's just for the sake of bragging rights. My XJR with a "mere" 370 HP was traction limited at low speeds and giggle inducing fast at higher speeds, I can't imagine actually needing more.......though I wouldn't turn down the chance to try.

[speeder]

My big problem w/ most of the cars mentioned is the lack of fun/dollar ratio. Especially if bought new. When I walk into the BMW dealer these days, I cannot believe the prices. 3-series for $70k. 5s for $80k+ and 7s for way over $100. I'm a cheap bastard and a used car guy.

I'd rather have the depreciated 100k car for $40k than any new $40k car, for instance. The only new cars that ever tempt me are 911s. Then all logic goes out the window regarding price.

[Head416]

Originally Posted by P-Dawger

Yes I know what I am asking for and I want 500hp plus - again - at least.

All of the cars mentioned are like 5-6k lb behemoths - you need that hp for any type of fun.

My SC is probably around 2,500lbs and had 204hp stock. So if you double the weight to 5,000lbs you would need 408hp to have the same ratio. I was going to say you're estimating more hp than you need, but after crunching the numbers maybe not. Of course the next question is does your DD need the same weight/power ratio of a sports car? Well, that's your choice. But as has been pointed out, that's hard to find for the money you want to spend. Good luck.

Originally Posted by speeder

...I'm a cheap bastard and a used car guy.

I'd rather have the depreciated 100k car for $40k than any new $40k car, for instance...

Yep. Except I'm more of a "I'd rather have the depreciated 40k car for 10k" guy.

[speeder]

I had an $80k car depreciated down to $10k a couple years ago and a $90k car down to $8k outside right now.

[kaisen]

For $70K, I would consider a $110K certified preowned uber-sedan that was a year or two old with 5-20K miles.

Also, consider modifying an otherwise-perfect car to meet your power criteria

[arerrac]

I just picked up a '07 550i w/ the sport package. 30,000 miles, still under warranty......$32,000!!!
360 hp and it can hardly put that power to the pavement without traction control comming on.

[pwd72s]

Ever consider an old domestic station wagon, then hotrod the hell out of it? 500 horsepower isn't hard to get, it's putting it to the ground that is difficult.

[scottmandue]

Go to autotrader.com

Put in price range $50K-$70K.

Click the manual transmission box.

See what pops up

[KaptKaos]

Need?

[Brillo]

Originally Posted by BSiple

CTS-V Wagon hands down, not even a decision.

+1

[motion]

If it was me, I'd go for the Panamera all day.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by motion

If it was me, I'd go for the Panamera all day.

Unfortunately, a NEW Panamera Turbo (over 500hp, remember) is WAY over $70K.... like double. Or more.

But used ones are out there. Stick shift? Not so much

Oh, and a new CTS-V 6 speed will absolutley annihilate a Panamera Turbo

[Noah930]

OK, how about a used one, then?

That's the problem. With the four listed criteria, the OP notes the list he came up with is pretty short. Well, yeah, that's because the list is pretty short.

[EarlyPorsche]

Originally Posted by speeder

I had an $80k car depreciated down to $10k a couple years ago and a $90k car down to $8k outside right now.

What are you driving!? Are you about to say you have an S600 but its from like 1998? If so then I won't be surprised.

[Ron R]

2004.5 Dodge 3500 4 door long bed Phat butt.


Over 500hp, 4 doors, under 70k. Ding mark it off as done and do it.






I know its not what your looking for, but this sucker can move.
500hp

Under 40k when I did it all

6 speed, Diesel

20mpg on the freeway

14 when hooked to the trailer.

Can spank most cars from light to light at 7200lb.

My wife calls it the one ton mini van.

Add a turbo, some injectors, fueling box of your choice and a few other little odds and ends and 500 is easy these days.

[Ron R]

heck for 70k I bet I could get you a white one and a black one.

[kaisen]

Yes, Ron that's exactly what he NEEDS

[jwasbury]

+2

Taking delivery on one today. 6 speed wagon.

Originally Posted by Brillo

+1

[speeder]

Quote de speeder

I had an $80k car depreciated down to $10k a couple years ago and a $90k car down to $8k outside right now.

What are you driving!? Are you about to say you have an S600 but its from like 1998? If so then I won't be surprised.

An S600 would have been a lot more than $90k new. I have a '96 S500 outside w/ 70k miles that is worth maybe $8-10k in mint cond.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by speeder

An S600 would have been a lot more than $90k new.

I think people are clueless about what Mercedes (and BMW and Porsche) cost new nowadays.....

A NEW S600 starts over $160K

A new S65 (AMG version of the S600) is typically around $215K

A new Panamera Turbo S (almost as much power as a CTS-V) starts at $175K and can touch $190K