Garage sale find - Italian Road bike with no head badge... What is it???

[LeeH]

I've been over this thing with a fine tooth comb looking for a hint. I'm just not finding anything to point me toward the maker. Components are Campagnolo shifters and derailieurs, Suntour Superbe Pro hubs, Modolo brakes, SR Sakae bars, Omega Mundial crank. The stickers are not related to the bike. Any ideas?

[porsche4life]

No help, but its got some good components.... What'd you pay?

[mepstein]

take some close up pictures of the bottom bracket (top and bottom) front heat tube, lugs in back of the front head tube, rear seat stays up near the seat post and rear derailler hanger. Also a shot of the crown on the fork and the fork drop outs. mark

[stomachmonkey]

Serial number may yield a clue.

[LeeH]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Serial number may yield a clue.

I've been all over it and can't fine one.

[Hugh R]

The lugs and the way the way the rear brake cable is attached across the top tube tells me its a Gios Torino. Look here

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[mepstein]

the serial number is usually on the bottom bracket. Even if there is one, they don't usually identify the bike or tell you much about it unless you know the brand or manufactuer. Looks to me like a nice but pretty generic bike from the late 70's to early 80's. Might have sold for $500-600 back then. Probably worth ~150 now. The better known Italian bikes would have more "florish" and finer details. Hand filed lugs, lugs with cut outs, more chrome on tubes, fancy seatstay caps, Fancy crown on fork, drop outs, ect. Older bikes like this can still ride nice and are the preferred frames for a fixie since they have horizontal drop outs and narrow spaced rear triangles.

[LeeH]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

No help, but its got some good components.... What'd you pay?

I got the bike and a really nice massage table for $100.

[mepstein]

Doesn't look like any Gios that I've seen. My friend had one in the early 80's. Full Nuevo and super record. I had a Colnago, Guerciotti, Masi, Pogliaghi, Bianchi and Cinelli at one time. Every body raced on Italian bikes back then. I've seen them all and this bike doesn't ring a bell. Just my opinion...

...Also has a pretty long wheelbase and long reach caliper brakes. Not typical for a racing bike.

[Apollo]

Looks very similar to my Daccordi-especially the chrome forks.

[cantdrv55]

Univega

[fanaudical]

The dropouts and lug features look very, very similar to an older Bianchi frame in my garage.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by mepstein

Doesn't look like any Gios that I've seen. My friend had one in the early 80's. Full Nuevo and super record. I had a Colnago, Guerciotti, Masi, Pogliaghi, Bianchi and Cinelli at one time. Every body raced on Italian bikes back then. I've seen them all and this bike doesn't ring a bell. Just my opinion...

...Also has a pretty long wheelbase and long reach caliper brakes. Not typical for a racing bike.

The first thing I notice was the reach of the brakes also. Its no racing bike. Not that time period coming out of Italy. The lug work is a little rough too. Too thick and heavy. That's no Gios for sure. I raced a Gios. The lock ring on the BB is steel because of rust. The high end bikes were all alloy for weight reduction. Is there a sticker on there to ID the type of tubing? Remove the stem and look down the Steer tube for ribbing. I believe the SL frames has the ribbing in the steertube.


Why do you think its Italian? It might be a mid 70s or late 70s frame. Many of the hand built frames did not have a serial number. Many of mine did not. If its Italian, it looks like a ALLE tube. I believe it was a straight gauge sport tubing not the double butted SL tubing use for pro bikes during that era.

[NY65912]

I had an Atala back in the 60's that looked similar. Boy, did I get sheet for having a "pink" bike

[mepstein]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

Univega

Closest guess I've heard. Or something similar out of Japan.

[Mrmerlin]

are the main tubes double butted?
simply tap on the tube end to center,
if the tone changes then it has thinner walls in the center of the tube.
It could be an early to mid 70s Raleigh,
scrape the paint off the rear dropouts/ stays are they chrome?

The bottom bracket cup does look like early 70s Campy, but it is kind of rusty

The frame lugs look similar to my 76 Peugeot PX 10,
it has a Reynolds 531 double butted frame and stays and forks.

Though the way the rear stays are attached to the seatpost lug looks kinda cheap.
And a no name headset

[pwd72s]

For a hundy, you sure didn't hurt yourself...

[look 171]

Originally Posted by Mrmerlin

are the main tubes double butted?
simply tap on the tube end to center,
if the tone changes then it has thinner walls in the center of the tube.
It could be an early to mid 70s Raleigh,
scrape the paint off the rear dropouts/ stays are they chrome?

The bottom bracket cup does look like early 70s Campy, but it is kind of rusty

The frame lugs look similar to my 76 Peugeot PX 10,
it has a Reynolds 531 double butted frame and stays and forks.

Though the way the rear stays are attached to the seatpost lug looks kinda cheap.
And a no name headset

Can you really tell by tapping on it since the ends are connected it should make a different sound?

I may agree with you that it could be a 70s bike, but a Raleigh? How did you come up with that one? Do you remember how many bikes had chrome drop outs or stays in the late 70s to early 80s? A ton.

I think its a Campy cup also, but Sugino cups were the same.

[look 171]

One thing you got going for you is that it has no eyelids but it could have been hacked off for that beautiful repaint. Is there anything on the drop outs like stampings?

[nostatic]

You can't really tell butting with the tapping thing. At least I never could and I tried. Especially with a lugged frame.

It looks remarkably unremarkable to me. My guess would be Japanese frame but it could be European. The SR and Suntour parts indicate Japanese to me. I'm willing to bet they are not Campy dropouts on the frame. The fairly wide 5-speed cluster indicates a "sport" type bike (as opposed to "racing"), but it also doesn't have some of the huge rakes seen on forks from that era.