tsa strip serch!!!

[john70t]

[PARF]
JFK also signed another order which got rid of the middle man: John-F-Kennedy.net - JFK, The Federal Reserve And Executive Order 11110 by Cedric X
JFK died. So did Lincoln.

[lane912]

Originally Posted by john70t

I respectfully disagree.

That would be ignoring the entire last decade, where enourmous amounts of fraud in the billions and trillions occurred.
-Rumsfeld even admitted that 2.3 Trillion went "unaccounted for", but that is probably just the tip of the iceberg. At least he was honest which is rare these days.
-Then there is the Wall Street/Banking/Ratings involvement which was blatent and very public fraud.
-Then there is the Federal Reserve conduct, at the highest level, and central to our entire capitalist economic system....past and future.

The "Return-On-Investment" for recovering even part of those funds would pay for itself. When there is a blockade from any source, put them in jail and confiscate everything they have. Ignore the flunky who fear for their families. Follow the chain to its original source.

Doing this would put international faith back into the system of the American economic system and the value of the dollar.

and to that I am for closing all federal programs and offices, and starting over.
a federal government that provides public safety, regulates interstate commerce and thats about all I need from them. oh and keep up the national parks because I like the parks, oh and NASA. space exploration is good too.

[MRM]

Oh, I don't say those responsible shouldn't be held accountable. The idea that trillions of dollars in cash just disapeared (into the pockets of people who fund our enemies in order to keep the conflict - and their gravy train - rolling) is one of the great crimes of the century. The Fiasco that has been the US involvement in the Middle East since 9/11 is mind-bogling in scope and incompetence.

But getting bogged down in a "who struck John" argument when the house is on fire is unhelpful and frustrates the chance to reach solutions. Every time someone mentions the feckless adventurism of the GW Bush administration, someone on that "team" will respond by saying yeah, but what about the trillions of stimulous dollars that vanished into thin air in 2009-2010? Then someone else will chime in and say the other side can't complain about ____ because (Carter/Reagan/Clinton) is really responsible because he did _____. The argument eventually devolves into a fight over whether LBJ or Nixon was responsible for the Vietnam debacle before both sides claim ownership of the Founding Fathers and state the clear intent of the Consitution is on their side and anyone who disagrees should be jailed for treason.

In a discussion about what the problem is and how to fix it, you cannot interject issues of fault. If you do, it derails the conversation and you never get a solution. Often people who want to avoid the obvious solution will raise issues of who is more or less at fault specifically in order to derail the solution. I'm all for fixing the problem right here and now and hanging the bastards on both sides later when we have the luxury of time.

If Delta knows who I am before I even get to the airport, has issued me a half dozen credit cards and gives me preferred seats, knows that I have another trip scheduled for next month and greats me by name as I check in or board, why does the TSA make me take off my shoes and belt and wait in line to go through a machine that doesn't detect explosives?

[shbop]

"If Delta knows who I am before I even get to the airport, has issued me a half dozen credit cards and gives me preferred seats, knows that I have another trip scheduled for next month and greats me by name as I check in or board, why does the TSA make me take off my shoes and belt and wait in line to go through a machine that doesn't detect explosives?"

Because they can. Even though you were lulled into believeing that you somehow enjoyed special status, the TSA was there to remind you.... you don't.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

Yes, and whenever I stand in the TSA checkpoint and get patted-down by some empowered wage slave I say to myself the terrorists won. They forced us to change the way we live. They forced us to treat each other worse and they forced us to restrict our freedom through legislation such as the Patriot Act. If I were an Islamic fundamentalist crouched in front of a TV in the tribal regions of northern Afghanistan I would look at how American political reaction to 9/11 changed America and how America had been so easily lured into two incredibly expensive foreign wars and I'd say, "Hey, Achmed, I think we won." They spent maybe a few million while we've racked up at least what, 20 trillion in additional debt since 9/11.

Discuss.

I will say it again...

Bravo!!!!

[john70t]

Originally Posted by MRM

The argument eventually devolves into a fight over whether LBJ or Nixon was responsible for the Vietnam debacle before both sides claim ownership of the Founding Fathers and state the clear intent of the Consitution is on their side and anyone who disagrees should be jailed for treason.

LOL, good point...The objective human mind constantly balances on a pinacle. to a fault.
Then, the argument changes from minutia to extrapolation.

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by island911

Seriously BE, I cannot believe that you would use this as an opportunity to give Obama a (relative) pass.

His 'change' should have been dismantling the stupidity of TSA. . . not doubling down on the stupidity of regular intrusive searches.

Except that Obama, as an astute political survivor (he is in the White House after all), knows damn well that if he dismantled the TSA or so much as cut its budget by ten dollars the Republicans would absolutely smash him to pieces with help of an easily fear-mongered American public and Fox News hysterics. (The other networks and the New York Times would follow suit for ratings and increased ad revenue.)

Within a day or two of the attacks Republicans quickly realized that 9/11 was a massive political gift. (Much the same way that Pearl Harbor was to FDR. It finally got public support for getting us all the way into WWII and out of the Great Depression.) Yes, 9/11 was a national tragedy, but to the political operatives on the right they saw their chance to really sock it to the American people and also greatly strengthen their grip on the levers of national power. So we got bigger government that is now much more intrusive thanks to the USA Patriot Act, and any contrary voices were immediately shouted down with cries of being "unpatriotic." I am sure that Ted Nugent can today threaten the Democrat president through his right to free speech but if he had questioned the political response to 9/11 he could have been punished for giving "aid and comfort" to the terrorists. Remember what happened to Bill Maher when he imagined out-loud that it took guts, crazy or not, to fly a 767 into the WTC? The national narrative was not reason, the national narrative was fear and thus control. If you question us you will regret it for a long time. Reason is the enemy.

Thus we gave aid and comfort to the terrorists. We responded the way the top guys over there in the caves and training camps knew we would. We freaked out. We cried in fear and our government responded by clamping down on us. Yeah, we bombed the **** out of Tora Bora a few months later and then suddenly stopped and the real bad guys snuck out the back way into Pakistan.

Anyway, Obama didn't get a pass from me, I just know that the TSA and its intrusive powers are here to stay. Just as it took a Republican like Nixon to end Vietnam (scurrying away on helicopters from the roof of the Saigon embassy) it would take a Republican to alter even slightly the new, post 9/11 security state--the security regime--we now live under and he'd have to do it quietly.

"Maybe now we can finally do some of the things we've wanted to do for the last ten years." That was Senator Trent Lott upon the passage of the USA Patriot Act. Do what things? Restrict individual freedoms? Suspend habeas corpus? If they can take away some alleged terrorist's rights then they can take away anyone's rights. We hope they go after only those citizens we hate but secretly hope, that if we parrot their words, they don't come after us.

Another TSA observation. The Bush administration killed efforts to allow the TSA to unionize the way other government employees have in the past. Instead they gave them power. In lieu of union benefits and job protections we'll let you harass and manhandle people, especially the people you don't like. If people complain you can detain them, make them miss their flights, ruin their vacations, scuttle their business deals, whatever. You can feel-up pretty women. You can rough-up anyone you see fit to. Just don't try to unionize or you'll be sorry.

Discuss.

[island911]

To say "well, it's here to stay" (paraphrasing) is completely defeatist.

OTOH, Those guys who get on the news for pushing the TSA insanity are great.

.. They are sick of this bureaucratic intrusive sheet, and they are going to let people know it.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by jyl

... we have discussed [fill in any topic] ad nauseum. One thing is always the same. No one here has ever come up with an [solutions at all or even any ideas]. Not one of you complainers has the answer. All you have is complaints.

- you are starting to catch on!

I've seen less whining after a group of Girl Scouts gets their cookies stolen.

[MRM]

You want solutions? I'll cite to my favorite authority:

Originally Posted by MRM

1) Change hijack response doctrine to not surrender control of the airplane under any circumstances.

2) Barricade cockpit doors to prevent access to the cockpit.

3) Place Air Marshalls on most flights interspersed with passengers in a way that they cannot be identified.

To which I would add:

4) Return airport security to pre-9/11 levels of scanning and a reasonable list of prohibited items limited to articles that could reasonably be used as dangerous weapons.

5) Specifically include knitting needles on the list of prohibited items in order to prevent any rogue granmothers from knitting an Afghan and taking the plane down.

6) Create a trusted traveler program that allowed frequent fliers or anyone who was able to pass a reasonable background check to pass security with minimal intrusion.

7) Focus the government's anti-hijacking efforts on intelligence and threat prevention.

There. I just solved the problem and saved the country $7 Billion. I'll take my comission check now and go home.

[RWebb]

we should just do what the Israelis do... that's my solution

[shbop]

Originally Posted by MRM

You want solutions? I'll cite to my favorite authority:



To which I would add:

4) Return airport security to pre-9/11 levels of scanning and a reasonable list of prohibited items limited to articles that could reasonably be used as dangerous weapons.

5) Specifically include knitting needles on the list of prohibited items in order to prevent any rogue granmothers from knitting an Afghan and taking the plane down.

6) Create a trusted traveler program that allowed frequent fliers or anyone who was able to pass a reasonable background check to pass security with minimal intrusion.

7) Focus the government's anti-hijacking efforts on intelligence and threat prevention.

There. I just solved the problem and saved the country $7 Billion. I'll take my comission check now and go home.

Before you race out to the mailbox: Unfortunately, your solution isn't going to happen. It's not even remotely probable, as the lobby effort to maintain TSA, another enormous government employee tidal pool, (soon to have cvollective bargaining rights), would pull-out all stops. Not the least of which is a sitting President that lives and breathes union influence. It's his life-blood, his rapture eternal, and his hopefull ticket to 4 more years, along with the illegal vote, of course. Your solution is honorable, it's just not going to happen. It would be akin to solving the health problem in America by making health insurance illegal. Health care costs would immediately plummet, as guaranteed third-party renumeration ends. Health-care would once again be affordable, but there isn't a remote chance that this will happen either. The health insurance industry, as TSA, just allows far too many to dip their beaks for a long, long cool drink. Being reasonable and efficient has got nothing to do with solutions for either.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by MRM

You want solutions? I'll cite to my favorite authority:



To which I would add:

4) Return airport security to pre-9/11 levels of scanning and a reasonable list of prohibited items limited to articles that could reasonably be used as dangerous weapons.

5) Specifically include knitting needles on the list of prohibited items in order to prevent any rogue granmothers from knitting an Afghan and taking the plane down.

6) Create a trusted traveler program that allowed frequent fliers or anyone who was able to pass a reasonable background check to pass security with minimal intrusion.

7) Focus the government's anti-hijacking efforts on intelligence and threat prevention.

There. I just solved the problem and saved the country $7 Billion. I'll take my comission check now and go home.

Too simple sir,
They are working towards a "Police State" . This is one more cog in the wheel. Remember, Dipshet said he wanted a civilian force as strong as the Military............Or a Hitler like Govt.

[island911]

Originally Posted by MRM

...

The solution to airport security that would prevent another 9/11 attack is simple and was partly implemented quickly. ....

" implemented quickly" is a huge understatement.

That is, it was implemented While 9/11 was happening. That is the passengers of flt 93 said "let's roll."




And with that, terrorists were notified that they will never take a plane that way again. Never.


Come to think of it, our TSA policies now are a huge insult to those brave Americans, and what they did on flt 93.

[sammyg2]

Brennan said he felt "humiliated," and that is when he decided to take all his clothes off. Brennan is no stranger to a naked protest as he has participated in a nude bike ride before in Portland.

"I am aware that's a tool I can use for free speech," said Brennan. "I know that as an Oregonian and as a citizen, one of my ways of expressing myself is being naked. It gets people's attention."

Nothing to see here, just another leftyloon from the PNW.

[island911]

but a useful lefty loon.

I can only hope that he said to a TSA agent "g'head, reach in and check my forest for some cherry-bombs."

[intakexhaust]

Call it what you like, but the simple brilliant strategy by the terrorist clearly defeated our status. Everyone individual and country has a weakness, they just found it and executed. No doubt and in time, another type of attack will happen.

In my mind, terrorist are no longer human and their frame of mind is like rodents with rabies, so as such and without a doubt need to be exterminated. Unfortunately, even after the tragedy and while we stand in line for our flights, many Americans feel we are doing the wrong thing by hunting them down and war conflict, both morally and financially. Oh, we must show the world how kind we are? So what is it that the whiners want?

Big deal, its always the media and press creating a bigger complaint from a small incident with granny, 5 yr. olds, plastic faced cougar's. When I hear others waiting in line whining, I tell them to either live with it, enjoy getting feeled up or go travel another way. Its your life and should I remind, we only get one? Take responsibility for yourself. Don't like the country handling the situation, go leave and find another.

[sammyg2]

When was the last time an Israeli airplane was hijacked?

They got it figured out.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by RWebb

we should just do what the Israelis do... that's my solution

we agree, sammy!

[pksystems]

Why would planes be targets for terrorists? That's only what? 3-400?

There's a couple thousand people waiting in lines at the airport. And once that happens..... we'll be bailing out every airline as no one will be flying.