Starving artist
 

Could someone please explain to me why is it that if you are an "artist" the worse your living conditions are the more cred you get.

This makes no sense to me. A lot of people want to call themselves artists these days. Compare this with guys like Hemingway, who liked 6 toed cats, beer and women, and did not consider himself an artist.

I don't know, the worse my conditions get the more creative I get about making money?

because if you are rich..you are a sell-out.

it's very complicated.

It's an American perception about art and the people who create it. The more avant-garde one is the cooler they must be and if they are perceived as starving then they must be more creative because they are not letting money impair the creative process.

Never try to apply logic to modern art. The dumber and more insane the art is the more the stuff seems to be worth to the art critics. I see it as trash.

i remember stories of picasso sketching on the back of his personal checks. that way, the vendor wouldnt cash them, hoping they would be more valuable as art.

there was this artist..name escapes me. he had a style that was amazing. a painter. he got super successful and hired other artist to crank out paintings for him. it was hugely controversial. mark kastabi? maybe.

yea..mark kastabi.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1339428531.jpg

Dali did a lot of that. Got his students to crank out crap and put his name to it.

The art world is full of scamsters.

Credibility... No money means its a calling so you don't have a choice but to do it so therefore the logic goes. You must be very good, if not great.

Jackson Pollack's personal life was a disaster. Eccentric and excessive but he was a great artist IMO.
Maybe that's part of it. Being brilliant at one thing but a shambles with everything else.

Dali's significance in art history relates only to his early, then 'avant guard' contribution to Surrealism. Beyond that, his work is historically insignificant and focuses on commercialism, i.e., a lot of crap.

The same can be said for Picasso, post Cubism, as far as that goes.

I don't know much about art but the Orvillecopter is Defiant-ly art!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMQHHObgnSg

Not to get too off topic, but thought these were neat. Autopsy photos of famous artists......
Van Gogh
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1339433783.jpg

Dali
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1339433937.jpg

Picasso
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1339433973.jpg

Back in Minnesota, there was a lot more of that *tortured/unappreciated/suffering genius* BS amongst the throngs of losers sketching on matchbook covers in schithole bars on the west bank.

A few genuine bohemian artists, (Dylan, Koerner, Ray and Glover), ruined it forever there and made every talentless schmuck think that they were simply undiscovered. It's even worse in Europe, more real artists have actually suffered there over the ages.

The real art scene is a little different. It's very much about commerce and it's fueled by massive amounts of money. From the up-and coming painter I know who is starting to sell his stuff to big celebrities to the mega-buck modern art scene to the in-between world of Chagalls and the like, it's all about the cheddar. :cool:

I have a minor career in the arts. I sell my work. But I long ago gave up on the idea of being an artist as a profession. There are some stunningly talented people out there that can support themselves as artists. But there are also a lot of self absorbed, untalented twits who milk the whole 'starving artist' schtick for all its worth.

Chihuly glass was the same I think. The process may have been "signature" at the time...? Chippendale as well, though that would be a company and on the other side of a grey area.

my brother in law was dali's agent

They are.

However, as writers are named when quoted, artists should also be named when their work is shown. Id like to see what other work this artist has done. Do you know his/her name?

For anyone asking me, You'd hang one of those in your home?! :eek: No, not to my 'taste', my taste not necessarily having anything to do with the quality/importance of the artwork in question. But I appreciate (not always means the same as 'like') the work...I appreciate a LOT of art that I don't like.

And, I do know and don't fault people who would hang them in their own home.

Cool! I'd guess he made some good bucks! Given you're at 1 deg. of separation from Dali, what's your response to what I wrote about him?

The other angle is that only people living a tortured existence create real art. Of course its an affectation, as even the worst off in the USA live well by world standards, but that's the gist of it. You can't create real art without real emotion, and the only way to that emotional level is through suffering. YMMV

Are you telling me that the velvet Elvis I bought at the "Starving Artist Sale" might be a fake? damn it........;)