My HP Slate is Atom based. The Samsung is an i5. I think that is how you'll see the difference.

LOL... my thoughts exactly.

Google is not your friend.

Memory is cheap and physically tiny. Why would anyone want to keep there data on some others cloud (w/ EULA)?

You create on some slate - really - not on a Intuos5 or something similar - I only have 2048 levels of pressure, starting with one gram... But, I guess that Slate of yours is a better tool..

Right - I guess it must be amateur night there on the island ;)

Again, I don't create on a 'pad' - I review on the iPad, using the cloud to store locked pdf proofs so my clients don't rip me off. The cloud is perfect for sharing files, cooperating with others, getting input from many people easily. It is great for that - meeting with a client - reviewing, marking up, sharing with his partner who happens to be in Cabo at the time...

Lots of tools - for lots of different options. I have yet to see a good Microsoft option for a tablet - and they have been trying for years - maybe they got it right, but their track record certainly doesn't bode well for the Surface.

I love the worry that your porn might be seen, yet, you aren't worried when you download it - that is hilarious johnt...

Ok, the "cloud" or whatever is useful for some sharing applications.
Maybe I don't understand the terminology and what differentiates the "cloud" from a simple secure online data storage site with stratified permission levels and/or access keys.

But to depend on it for all personal computing? No thank you.

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Simple enough. It's nobody's f'n beeswax. to be able to monitor someone's personal computer usage minute-by-minute, except an employer or the FBI with a warrant. Certainly not the company that sells the OS which makes the flat blue glow happen and the machine go ping.

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Your surfing and email information shown above is already known to Google, your email server ISP, etc.

I watched the whole thing live while it happened. Interesting that MS introduced it this way.

So two versions Windows RT and Windows 8 Pro the latter running windows stuff; office etc. I think it's interesting but we will so, no mention of price, battery life or ram. The RT version will be out when windows 8 comes out in Oct. and the Pro version 3 months after.

It's nice to see he competition but I bet they get sued over the mag attached keyboard, and I'm sure they were able to piss off all their manufacturing partners. It's kind of between an ipad and a laptop, i mean i doubt your could use that tablet and keyboard on your lap to type like a laptop.

Anyway all the micro-monkeyboys are all giddy and them and the fanboys keep throwing kool-aid at each other so should be a fun battle. I give it a year before MS dumps the whole concept.

If you had a Cintiq 24Hd, then you could claim amateur night. But a Intuos5? pfft. You are drawing on pad, but looking at a different space (a screen.) ..and How portable are all of those devices? -- the comparison here is portable tablets - Windows vs iPaid.

Create when mobile: When I go to see customers (for product design stuff) I take a tablet which allows me to not only handle (spin/zoom)3D parts and assemblies, but also mark-up /sketch on existing models of in-work product. All the ipad is good for is flipping thru images. ..and the latest gen does have a beautiful screen for that. And I'll bet that Angry Birds is really smooth.

I still don't know how Apple claims patent right on the magnet power cord. I mean, the idea was developed, way back, for portable electric fryers, iirc.

A design patent I could see, but utility? ...they do have deep lawyer pockets, I suppose.

Island - my clients easily mark up on the pdfs of their flyers/catalogs/ads on the iPad - there is no way I can have 50 layer 11x17 multiple photoshop files open on any tablet - it is hard enough on my older 17" macbook pro. And the iPad is great for previewing/marking up printed product, website captures, or video. You need real screen resolution to do that - and iPad is really the only tablet out there with close to print quality or HD resolution. And I would much rather draw on a pad - drawing on a screen is like drawing on a window - useless.

I don't play angry birds - I 'play' on our new Alienware... once again - I get the machine that fits the job. Computers really aren't 'one size fits all'.

I am sure your slate works great for your applications - but it isn't the best machine for what many people use tablets for, viewing content. And with how it looks like the Surface will be hitting the market (with 720p) it won't be a great interactive content machine - sort of an 'inbetween' that doesn't do anything 'great'. Apple has learned - do great with what the machine can best do. Do great with content if you produce a tablet, do great with communication if you do a phone, do great with interface if you have a laptop....

So, it's all about resolution, to graphic gurus like yourself, eh?

fwiw, I looked up the Adobe color gamut for the iPad 3... knowing that my old Dell M6400 has 100% Adobe gamut (RGB LED edge to edge screen)

And the new and improve ipad 3 comes in at . . . . 66% . awhhh.... :(

btw, I thought that graphic purists like yourself prioritized color depth and accuracy over pixel count. I guess not. Shiny and high pixel count FTW. :cool:

uhmm ... so you have your clients marking up pdf's on your useless ipad window? ...is that your argument? :D

No offense, but you really do argue like a stereotypical woman.

Island - you always calibrate your screen (whatever kind) to print spec output - so, for example, sheetfed has a different color calibration than heat set web... And projected light can never exactly reproduce reflective light, you do the best you can. So, I calibrate the screen for media delivery-and go with the best resolution, for me, the iPad (running datacolor's spyder4) does the best job.

Again - tools for the job vary. Product design is a lot different than graphic design, and both have tools that work better for their specific needs.

And if my clients are reviewing on their own computers - well then all bets are off - who knows what sort of awful colors they are getting on their screens. Some people don't realize that all the skin tones they see on their computers, when compared to color corrected skin tones, look like green skinned aliens.

green skinned aliens. :D ...well said.

Island - you have no idea of what I draw-or how I do it. Clients circle things on pdfs, mark them up with stickies, and indicate what they want me to correct - I go back and correct them on 'real' machines. There is no way I can get suspension details corrected on any tablet application, redraw a foot so it looks more foreshortened, or go into a file that is many, many gigs and change the background to look 'a little more purple, you know, like the stripe on my tie', and hope to do anything with it on a tablet.

And thank you for the stereotypical woman comment.

Well, you are welcome; but really, you earned that one with that beautifully self-contradictory paragraph. :)

Back on topic.

At least the Microsoft Surface tablet has a kickstand. That is one useful feature that went missing from so many tablet devices when Apple released their first iPad. Of course Apple does rely on the McDonalds "Coke & Fries" marketing model. ...pay bloated prices for the cover, the docking keyboard or kickstand, the stylus, the SD card reader, the HDMI out...

Island - I don't want a kickstand - wouldn't use one if it was there - just added weight, and a feature I don't need or want.

Plus - that is what the cardboard McDonald's fries container is for - the 'throw it in the trash' kickstand if you need it. ;) Just balance the iPad on the fry sleeve (or maybe the Big Mac box) - and voila -

But really - there are probably hundreds of different kickstand/cover combos out there - why be stuck with the style that microsoft thinks you need, go instead with the one that works best for you and how you use the tablet. Use it mostly on planes and in bed at the hotel room - there probably is a 'best' kickstand for that... Toss it in your Hermes bag to show Uncle Island the photos of the polo pony you want - kickstand for that...

And once you start to add all that other stuff - what do you really have - a wanna be laptop, that can't do what a real laptop can do... so just get a laptop if you want keyboards, card readers, hdmi's. What will that surface weigh? I have seen estimates of almost 2 lbs, 13" Airs weigh in at about 3 lbs...

Yeah, that wont work. The ipad and prop will slide in just about every circumstance. :)

There's that womanly touch again. ..."It's not an important feature, that's why so many are available as after-thoughts for the ipad"

Yeah, it's amazing that Apple offers all those barnacles for their glorious ipad. ...stoopid people just don't understand the genius of the limited ipad. :cool:

Wow - a little salt - the stuff works great...;)

I bought a cover for my nook (pre-iPad) - with a 'kickstand' because I thought I would like it - it was awful, I dumped it quickly - an option not available with the new surface, you will be stuck with the kickstand - like it or not. And when it breaks (look at it - it is going to break - wow - right away), or if you want to get a real cover for your surface - it is going to cover up the kickstand - making it unusable anyway. Microsoft tries to be all things to all people - they just don't get it.

Less is more-believe me. I don't want all that stuff - many people don't - so don't give it to me. I don't want the weight, the cost, the 'whoops, I guess I never used that' scenario.

So - you don't forget - it feels like Zune all over - too much, yet, in reality, too little, and way too late. Plus, a marketing department that fails all the time....

edit - out of curiosity have you run a Transformer Prime? I liked the one that was lent to me for a couple of weeks - seemed like a good machine.

Asus Transformer Prime? No. that falls in to the "toy' category, IMO - Android, glossy screen, cap-sense....

the weight, the cost? ... you mean like the heavy aluminum /glass construction of the iPad. Well, at least those options are expensive. :cool:

Island - from what the scuttlebut is on the surface - the stripped down version will be 1.4 lbs (sans keyboard) exactly what an iPad weighs...

And if you want to talk case - magnesium- really - wait till that first battery catches fire... ;)

Again - it will be months before we see one on the shelf - or who knows it might be vaporware once Microsoft's hardware partners start pounding on them.

And you should try the prime - it really was an interesting machine.

You guys crack me up, which one is the fanboy?

Arguing on the Internet is like having a peeing and non-peeing sides of the pool.

Are they using "apps" as a new term for programs? I have apps on my droid, they can perform little tasks...

Yet I see MS Office will be available...

Am I going to be able to load Race-studio,Halwin, and some other specialized programs on the surface?

I just want stuff to work and be in the locations they used to be. WTF do you have to move functions?

I'm going to go with the one who comes onto a thread about a new PC to talk up Apple products. ;)

And actually, I enjoy hearing other peoples feature priorities. ...no matter how strained they are toward fan<strike>bouy</strike>Girlness. :)

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The problem is that the RT operating system based Surface doesn't have much more capability than the iPad. It will be easier to store file and to edit them with the built in Microsoft office.

I guess if you are in a corporate group and want a mini, inexpensive laptop for e-mail and full blown Office, plus VPN, then this could work. And the ability to move files on and off the computer is simple (some sort of SD card).

What I described above isn't much more capable than an Andoid tablet. So I think the market for Surface RT should be coporate people like my sister. For me I'll keep my Andoid Tablet for now. When the Surface Pro comes out, I will probably be in line.

Holy crap, I hadn't even realized they released it!

Has anyone tried or seen the new Asus Taichi? From what I've only seen online, makes the most sense and best of both a tablet or PC. Odd that big box stores carrying the brand never stock them or let alone really know of them.

More of a full blown PC with dual screens. As a laptop, close the cover, err screen... top... and the second screen appears on the backside or cover. No detaching of a keyboard or adding, no rotate of screen (like the slate, tab. hybrid's).

Has some proc. power too with Intel Ivy Bridge i7, expansion port's, SSD, 13"+ or 11" models both having 1920 x 1080 res. weight approx. 2 3/4 lbs.

I think that it's just not going to catch on in a big consumer wave like the iPad.

I've been messing with mine for a few weeks now, and there are a few huge bonuses that make me more likely to buy them for office staff than iPads.

Multiple users, so they can be checked out and taken to meetings or on trips but not bound to one user

Output for a projector that doesn't work just with some apps

Prints successfully to all of our office printers (We have a few AirPrint printers for the iPads, but the big old ones don't work)

Runs Remote Desktop AND TSRemoteApp, so you can get to any desktop app on it if it's running on the server.

Connects to file shares on the network out of the box

Can be used with a mouse or the built in touchpoint, which makes Win32/64 apps on RDP actually useful

So yeah, it's a rival, just not in the ways most people are thinking.

Yep, this seems to be the purpose. I think this is a good move on MSFT's part. Going head to head with the iPad to start is tough!!!

I agree with what Rod said. Another way of saying it is that it is a productivity tool, not an entertainment vehicle.

Doubtful as magnesium in this usage would only ignite from a spark.

Interesting though about heat build-up in tabs. Guessing that's the top handicap restricting more powerful processor's for them vs. the size.

My old HP tablet / PC with a dual core sometimes measured a ridiculous 140 degrees near the fan. Eventually the onboard graphics chip couldn't handle it. Went through a few mobo's like clockwork. However I was surprised to find it had precision cast magnesium bottom housing and enclosure covers (all vented).

some of my feature priorities are a decent keyboard and fast USB ports

this looks better than an iPad for those; not as good as a laptop

solid Mg will not ignite from a spark - only powdered Mg

First set of updates aches went out today. Takes about 20 minutes and a soft reset (reboot). Things seem a bit smoother, but that could be me just projecting expected results onto the product. :)

Here is another interesting business case about the Surface. (or any WinRT tab)

We run PCs at our store locations, we have lots of business software that requires them, as do most places. They are mostly Win7 boxes (and a couple Win8s)

Over the past 6 months or so, as I've been rotating some out, I've been adding monitors with built-in speakers, mics, and webcams, simply because I knew the video conferencing thing would come up as we got more spread out.

Well, it came up, the boss wants video conferencing starting next week. He has an iPad. He said, keep it simple, buy a couple managers iPads, we'll Facetime because it's easy.

Had a little discussion about the PCs being ready for it, the iPads being able to run Skype, his Windows phone also being able to run Skype, etc.

So, on Monday, we're buying a couple of Surfaces, since they run Skype integrated in the background, just like an iPad or iPhone runs Facetime, thus keeping it simple. It also will run on the iPads we have around, the PCs we have around, etc. The multi-user thing is also a huge bonus since these will be assigned to locations vs. people.

The device itself didn't do it, but mine has worked great, and Skype being available cross-platform and Facetime not made the difference.

If Facetime was available as a Windows app, we probably would have bought it and a few iPads.

Oh, Skype being available on smart TVs is a nice bonus, non-OS dependent at all, we'll be picking up a couple of those.

Rob you should have looked at Clearsea from Lifesize....